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 And I feel like I won't give up the overlords.

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 What would you prefer a good game, or chess?

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 Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Does It Hold Up,

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 the podcast dedicated to potentially ruining your childhood

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 and all of your fond memories that happened

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 before Mom and Dad got nuked.

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 [ Laughter ]

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 -I'm drunk. -I'm a band-a.

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 -I don't know why I took a drink right before you started that

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 because I should have known.

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 I should have known -- and I'm Brad, by the way --

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 should have known that something was going to be said

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 to where I was going to be.

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 -Yeah, figure out if it was going to be got nuked

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 or, you know, playing a nice game of chess

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 just didn't seem to roll off the tongue.

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 I figured that was best.

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 -Thoroughly or a nuclear war, yeah.

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 -Yeah, exactly. Because today, we are discussing the --

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 shit, I don't remember the date when it was going to be.

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 Thank you. The 1983 --

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 how would you describe it?

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 You know, I mean, it was a fun movie, war games, but drama?

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 -Scary -- yeah, scary as fuck drama, real life.

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 -It's still relevant, I think.

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 -Yeah, I know that I were talking about it.

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 It's like, if they remade it, it wouldn't be the Soviets anymore,

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 but it wouldn't be.

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 I mean, the Koreans, the terrorists, you know?

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 -It would just be the computers.

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 -I guess that's true. -That's true, yeah.

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 So, yeah, the war games came out in 1983,

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 starred Ferris Bueller, and the Basket Case from Breakfast Club,

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 and some other people --

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 -The imaginary friend from Cloak and Dagger.

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 -Cloak and Dagger.

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 -Dad and Goldman with the kid from E.T.

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 -Oh, my God, I forgot about it.

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 I was thinking, wasn't he in a Muppet movie?

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 -Oh, yeah, he was in the Muppet movie.

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 -Yeah, he was in the Manhattan one, wasn't it?

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 he was the brother.

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 -The baseball diamond one?

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 -The best chokes ever from the Muppets.

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 -The baseball diamond.

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 -So, yeah, Dad, Nicole, and some other people

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 that I don't know if they were in anything else.

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 and he was still good.

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 because it would have been so much better

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 to hear him just curse up a storm

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 "Well, you chicken dick," or whatever he gets.

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 Amanda, you said we're going to use chicken dick from now on.

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 ad lived most of his lines.

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 he's like, "I'm beginning to think that this isn't such a good idea."

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 -Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration,

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 -There you go. There you go.

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 are going into an elevator to head down into the silo.

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 There's a sign outside the elevator.

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 -No, I didn't. When did I say...

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 -Anyone here in this area will be discharged.

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 with the guys pressing in the...

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 I mean, I remembered him being like, "Turn your keys, sir."

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 I have a real question about how that would work.

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 Here we go. Diving into Wikipedia.

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 "During a surprise drill of a nuclear attack..."

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 many United States Air Force strategic missile wing controllers

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 Such refusals convinced John McKittrick and other system engineers at NORAD

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 programmed to continuously run war simulations and learn over time."

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 -That's what I pissed on a spark plug.

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 -I pissed on a spark plug if I thought it would help.

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 So, uh, major.

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 What he's like, "If that's a load of shit," and he's talking to the president,

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 -And they've not actually...

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 It was really a very believable, I thought.

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 The two guys are on their shift.

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 It's Leo McGarry from West Wing and Mr. Blonde from Reservoir Dogs

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 going down to the silo.

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 They're late because it's really stormy outside.

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 If for some reason the Air Force decided

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 It looks like a real house on top of the silo,

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 so no one will know what's going on.

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 Seems like the worst security in the world,

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 because wouldn't they just put a base there

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 and have people there to guard the fucking silo?

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 -Yeah, I don't know because they had a lot of silos back in the day.

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 -I mean, they were all over the Midwest.

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 -They were just these random houses,

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 Two men were driving.

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 -I mean, Brad, you thought that the janitors were your neighbors,

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 but in reality, that was a silo.

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 -It was a missile silo?

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 -This must be...

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 That sounds like the money pit.

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 This must be the main test in the...

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 -You test the missiles here?

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 -Yes, we're going to push, hush.

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 -No, so they get in there.

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 So they're down in that little basement for 20...

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 There's no way.

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 I mean, that's even worse than doctors being on 24-hour shifts.

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 -I mean, that's the thing is...

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 I didn't see it back.

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 You know?

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 I mean, they're down there drinking coffee,

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 thinking about blowing up the free world.

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 -You just got to get home.

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 -Well, so they get their guns.

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 They each get...

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 It's like they load them up there.

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 They get revolvers,

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 and I think they put two or three bullets in, all right?

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 They each get a gun.

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 -I have a side note.

263
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 I was always fast.

264
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 So anyway, let me get into that.

265
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 So then they go down, they're in,

266
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 they start their shift,

267
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 and then they get alert, right?

268
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 Lima, Lima, Zulu, whatever it was.

269
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 And then they get the fascinating thing,

270
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 and this isn't all these 80s, 90s movies

271
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 with any kind of nuclear situation

272
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 where they open up the lockbox,

273
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 and they have all those cards...

274
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 -So snapping things.

275
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 -Yeah, make them open.

276
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 -I always wanted like, who put those together,

277
00:11:00,500 --> 00:11:02,260
 and who gave those out?

278
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 Like that seemed to me like so fascinated

279
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 that someone was actually thinking ahead to do this.

280
00:11:07,460 --> 00:11:08,260
 -Yeah.

281
00:11:08,260 --> 00:11:08,820
 -Yeah.

282
00:11:08,820 --> 00:11:09,540
 -Who's holding it?

283
00:11:09,540 --> 00:11:10,500
 -No, so they do that.

284
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 It's a confirm code.

285
00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:16,260
 They're supposed to launch their nukes,

286
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 and the two guys are sitting,

287
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 you know, 10 feet away from her.

288
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 And they have to turn their keys in unison.

289
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 That's how they're going to launch the nukes.

290
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 And Leo McGarrity, whatever his name was,

291
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 and the horror will show the West Wing,

292
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 decides that he's not going to turn his nuke.

293
00:11:33,140 --> 00:11:35,540
 Sorry, the actor's name is John Spencer.

294
00:11:35,540 --> 00:11:38,660
 But he decides he's not going to launch his nuke,

295
00:11:38,660 --> 00:11:40,260
 because he wants to get somebody on the horn,

296
00:11:40,260 --> 00:11:42,660
 because he doesn't want to kill 20 million people.

297
00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:43,060
 -And then...

298
00:11:43,060 --> 00:11:44,100
 -Understandable, yeah.

299
00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:45,700
 -Right, completely reasonable.

300
00:11:45,700 --> 00:11:48,420
 Michael Madsen's response to that,

301
00:11:48,420 --> 00:11:50,340
 which is, or need to follow protocol,

302
00:11:50,340 --> 00:11:53,300
 he then pulls his gun out,

303
00:11:53,940 --> 00:11:55,860
 and he's going to shoot him.

304
00:11:55,860 --> 00:11:57,220
 -I thought the same thing, Brad.

305
00:11:57,220 --> 00:11:59,380
 If he shoots him, then who the fuck's going to turn the key?

306
00:11:59,380 --> 00:12:01,620
 -It doesn't matter anyway, so why shoot him?

307
00:12:01,620 --> 00:12:02,340
 What's the point?

308
00:12:02,340 --> 00:12:03,620
 -Yeah.

309
00:12:03,620 --> 00:12:04,740
 -There is no point.

310
00:12:04,740 --> 00:12:06,580
 -Yeah, I don't see that.

311
00:12:06,580 --> 00:12:07,380
 That's a good question.

312
00:12:07,380 --> 00:12:08,820
 But the other thing is, at what point,

313
00:12:08,820 --> 00:12:11,300
 I mean, because you find out later that it was all an exercise,

314
00:12:11,300 --> 00:12:13,940
 and you see later that both of those guys are still alive.

315
00:12:13,940 --> 00:12:15,220
 So were they blanks?

316
00:12:15,220 --> 00:12:16,260
 Did he pull the trigger?

317
00:12:16,260 --> 00:12:19,220
 Did somebody burst in right at that second and be like,

318
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 "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, it's a test."

319
00:12:21,220 --> 00:12:21,860
 -Yeah.

320
00:12:21,860 --> 00:12:23,940
 -Now, I just- -What he should have done is I aimed at a split.

321
00:12:23,940 --> 00:12:25,620
 -Why?

322
00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:26,900
 -That should work.

323
00:12:26,900 --> 00:12:29,300
 -Okay, I'm still down on the ground in pain.

324
00:12:29,300 --> 00:12:30,420
 I'm still not carrying the key.

325
00:12:30,420 --> 00:12:32,260
 -Yeah.

326
00:12:32,260 --> 00:12:34,340
 -They'll know shitty backup plan.

327
00:12:34,340 --> 00:12:34,660
 No.

328
00:12:34,660 --> 00:12:36,100
 -So what should he have done?

329
00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:37,460
 Is that damaging at a heart to heart?

330
00:12:37,460 --> 00:12:39,700
 -No, I don't know.

331
00:12:39,700 --> 00:12:41,460
 Obviously, it's a flaw in the system,

332
00:12:41,460 --> 00:12:42,580
 and they should have realized that

333
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 when they tested every other scenario,

334
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 all the other people they did,

335
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 because they said that-

336
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 -22%.

337
00:12:47,940 --> 00:12:50,020
 -22%, don't.

338
00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:51,540
 But no, here's my thing, though.

339
00:12:51,860 --> 00:12:53,140
 I'm watching this.

340
00:12:53,140 --> 00:12:55,140
 It wasn't until this time, watch it.

341
00:12:55,140 --> 00:13:00,020
 Now, I've seen this movie probably 20 times, grow up, right?

342
00:13:00,020 --> 00:13:01,460
 It would seem like it was always on each other,

343
00:13:01,460 --> 00:13:05,380
 but I think we had it on beta and everything.

344
00:13:05,380 --> 00:13:08,020
 I never knew that they were still alive.

345
00:13:08,020 --> 00:13:08,900
 I thought he killed him.

346
00:13:08,900 --> 00:13:12,740
 But he's clearly seeing the movie at the end,

347
00:13:12,740 --> 00:13:14,500
 or at the middle part of the movie,

348
00:13:14,500 --> 00:13:18,740
 when they are putting in the key code for the Whopper to control,

349
00:13:18,740 --> 00:13:21,540
 he's in there and he's got a disgusted look on his face,

350
00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:22,500
 like, well, I get it.

351
00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:23,220
 He's just been out.

352
00:13:23,220 --> 00:13:27,300
 He's, you know, automation robots just taking his job, so.

353
00:13:27,300 --> 00:13:28,100
 -Yeah, and that's the thing.

354
00:13:28,100 --> 00:13:29,460
 You don't just see them in the background.

355
00:13:29,460 --> 00:13:31,540
 I mean, he stands there and kind of stares down the guy.

356
00:13:31,540 --> 00:13:32,980
 -No, he stares at me.

357
00:13:32,980 --> 00:13:33,860
 And he has a line.

358
00:13:33,860 --> 00:13:35,220
 -And I don't remember that part either.

359
00:13:35,220 --> 00:13:37,220
 -I don't remember that part at all.

360
00:13:37,220 --> 00:13:38,980
 And I was like, because I thought he died.

361
00:13:38,980 --> 00:13:43,300
 I was like, that is a really harsh opening

362
00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:44,340
 to the beginning of the movie.

363
00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:46,500
 But obviously, it was just, I mean,

364
00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:48,980
 and really, I guess, if I just listened to the conversation

365
00:13:48,980 --> 00:13:55,940
 between Dabney Coleman and when they're all in there,

366
00:13:55,940 --> 00:13:57,620
 the two guys from the president's office

367
00:13:57,620 --> 00:14:00,980
 come in, the two students come in, who can only,

368
00:14:00,980 --> 00:14:03,620
 they fly all the way up to Colorado,

369
00:14:03,620 --> 00:14:05,460
 and they can drive all the way up the mountain,

370
00:14:05,460 --> 00:14:07,380
 and they can only be there for like three minutes.

371
00:14:07,380 --> 00:14:09,380
 [ Laughter ]

372
00:14:09,380 --> 00:14:11,220
 -What makes me different in these, man?

373
00:14:11,220 --> 00:14:12,900
 You know, the phones didn't work the same.

374
00:14:12,900 --> 00:14:13,780
 -What kind of stuff?

375
00:14:13,780 --> 00:14:14,980
 -Yeah, didn't that have been a phone call?

376
00:14:14,980 --> 00:14:15,700
 It's like, hey, come out.

377
00:14:15,700 --> 00:14:16,820
 We're going to show you something.

378
00:14:16,820 --> 00:14:19,700
 [ Laughter ]

379
00:14:19,700 --> 00:14:24,100
 -That opening was still just kind of like, oh, God.

380
00:14:24,100 --> 00:14:24,740
 -It was.

381
00:14:24,740 --> 00:14:25,700
 -It was.

382
00:14:25,700 --> 00:14:28,420
 -Yeah, they show in the missiles, like,

383
00:14:28,420 --> 00:14:33,060
 the silos opening, all the arms are coming off the missile,

384
00:14:33,060 --> 00:14:33,940
 and it's ready to go.

385
00:14:33,940 --> 00:14:35,620
 -Yeah, it is.

386
00:14:35,620 --> 00:14:37,540
 -And I have to wonder if that was all fake footage,

387
00:14:37,540 --> 00:14:39,220
 because I mean, they wouldn't get those missiles

388
00:14:39,220 --> 00:14:40,580
 ready to fire for a drill.

389
00:14:40,580 --> 00:14:42,260
 So what were those guys even looking at?

390
00:14:42,260 --> 00:14:44,340
 Like, obviously, it was done for theatrical respect

391
00:14:44,340 --> 00:14:46,340
 in the movie, but were they seeing that?

392
00:14:46,340 --> 00:14:47,700
 I think they were monitored.

393
00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:49,860
 -I don't think they could make it useful.

394
00:14:49,860 --> 00:14:51,380
 -I don't know.

395
00:14:51,380 --> 00:14:52,260
 -Who knows, maybe not.

396
00:14:52,260 --> 00:14:53,140
 I don't know.

397
00:14:53,140 --> 00:14:54,980
 And that's the thing is, one thing I don't know,

398
00:14:54,980 --> 00:14:56,820
 and I'll go into this later,

399
00:14:56,820 --> 00:14:58,980
 because I read something about the setup

400
00:14:58,980 --> 00:15:00,180
 they had for NORAD,

401
00:15:00,180 --> 00:15:02,580
 but I don't know how realistic all of that was,

402
00:15:02,580 --> 00:15:04,580
 because so much of it was so secretive

403
00:15:04,580 --> 00:15:07,540
 that they had to kind of take creative liberties with it.

404
00:15:07,540 --> 00:15:11,940
 -Yeah, I don't know if the silo part was part of that.

405
00:15:11,940 --> 00:15:14,180
 I know the NORAD part was part of that,

406
00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:15,300
 but I don't know about the silo.

407
00:15:17,300 --> 00:15:19,940
 But yeah, it was still just like, "Oh my God."

408
00:15:19,940 --> 00:15:21,700
 And one thing would be really curious,

409
00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:24,260
 because one of our kids watched it with us,

410
00:15:24,260 --> 00:15:28,340
 and I'd be really interested if kids like today,

411
00:15:28,340 --> 00:15:31,860
 or even kind of the generation in between ours and theirs,

412
00:15:31,860 --> 00:15:33,940
 if it would have the same effect,

413
00:15:33,940 --> 00:15:36,900
 because we watched this, the Cold War was still a thing.

414
00:15:36,900 --> 00:15:38,580
 -Yeah, we were talking about that.

415
00:15:38,580 --> 00:15:40,580
 -The Soviets weren't just like the boogie,

416
00:15:40,580 --> 00:15:42,900
 it wouldn't be like when we were learning about the Nazis,

417
00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:44,740
 something that was already gone.

418
00:15:44,740 --> 00:15:47,460
 You know, we were in it, the Soviets were real,

419
00:15:47,460 --> 00:15:50,260
 and at that time, this still could have all happened.

420
00:15:50,260 --> 00:15:52,260
 It seemed very, very possible.

421
00:15:52,260 --> 00:15:54,020
 I have to wonder if it would have the same effect

422
00:15:54,020 --> 00:15:57,460
 on somebody that was my age in 1983 watching it now,

423
00:15:57,460 --> 00:15:59,220
 or if it would just be like, "Yeah, whatever."

424
00:15:59,220 --> 00:16:01,380
 There wasn't, you know, the Cold War's over, it doesn't matter.

425
00:16:01,380 --> 00:16:03,380
 That would be interesting.

426
00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:05,300
 -Yeah, I mean, when we were watching it,

427
00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:06,660
 I would return to you, and I was like,

428
00:16:06,660 --> 00:16:10,340
 "This movie scared the shit out of me when I was a kid."

429
00:16:10,340 --> 00:16:13,620
 Like, it really was just like, "Oh my God."

430
00:16:13,620 --> 00:16:15,540
 Like, this is something that could really happen.

431
00:16:15,540 --> 00:16:20,100
 Like you said, it wasn't just this nebulous boogie man,

432
00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:22,580
 it was, "This is a real threat.

433
00:16:22,580 --> 00:16:26,020
 This is something that we're all living with day to day."

434
00:16:26,020 --> 00:16:26,660
 -Yeah.

435
00:16:26,660 --> 00:16:30,020
 -I never took it that far,

436
00:16:30,020 --> 00:16:34,660
 but also I can't, I'm shocked again that, like you just said,

437
00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:37,780
 both of you, that like our parents didn't discuss,

438
00:16:37,780 --> 00:16:39,780
 I never had to discuss with our parents afterwards.

439
00:16:39,780 --> 00:16:42,980
 Like, you know, this movie, not about this,

440
00:16:42,980 --> 00:16:43,780
 no, not about this.

441
00:16:43,780 --> 00:16:46,340
 -I remember having it after we watched The Day After.

442
00:16:46,340 --> 00:16:47,380
 Do you remember that one, Brad?

443
00:16:47,380 --> 00:16:51,220
 That was a TV miniseries that...

444
00:16:51,220 --> 00:16:53,860
 -We talked about this before, I don't remember that one.

445
00:16:53,860 --> 00:16:55,780
 -Okay, because the problem with, like,

446
00:16:55,780 --> 00:16:59,940
 War Games has a happy ending, the day after didn't.

447
00:16:59,940 --> 00:17:02,340
 I mean, it's just like, the world is destroyed at the end,

448
00:17:02,340 --> 00:17:04,660
 and everybody's dying and bleeding out of their ass,

449
00:17:04,660 --> 00:17:06,020
 and it was just awful.

450
00:17:06,020 --> 00:17:08,740
 And I remember talking to our parents about it,

451
00:17:08,740 --> 00:17:10,820
 and I remember my mom saying,

452
00:17:10,820 --> 00:17:12,980
 like, if that ever happened, we were just going to lay down

453
00:17:12,980 --> 00:17:14,740
 and hold hands and just end it,

454
00:17:14,740 --> 00:17:16,340
 because there's no sense in living,

455
00:17:16,340 --> 00:17:17,380
 because it was so horrible.

456
00:17:17,380 --> 00:17:19,860
 And then our dad was like, no, you got to fight,

457
00:17:19,860 --> 00:17:21,380
 you got to try to survive.

458
00:17:21,380 --> 00:17:24,100
 And I'm just like, I think it was probably nine,

459
00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:26,260
 and I'm just like, can we not talk about this?

460
00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:30,740
 But I still remember that.

461
00:17:30,740 --> 00:17:33,540
 I mean, we're going back, you know, 30-something years,

462
00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:34,980
 and I still remember that.

463
00:17:34,980 --> 00:17:37,300
 -No, I mean, I definitely do remember living under this

464
00:17:38,180 --> 00:17:40,980
 ominous threat of Soviet Union.

465
00:17:40,980 --> 00:17:42,900
 So, but I just remember we watched,

466
00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:44,500
 I remember watching this with mom,

467
00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:46,580
 and not having that discussion about like,

468
00:17:46,580 --> 00:17:48,340
 probably your right cut,

469
00:17:48,340 --> 00:17:49,700
 probably because I had a happy ending,

470
00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:50,820
 but me, I probably also,

471
00:17:50,820 --> 00:17:53,940
 I really probably didn't fully understand

472
00:17:53,940 --> 00:17:58,180
 at seven or eight when we watched this,

473
00:17:58,180 --> 00:18:00,420
 or when I watched it, what was going on.

474
00:18:00,420 --> 00:18:02,340
 I like the computer side of it.

475
00:18:02,340 --> 00:18:04,900
 -You couldn't have run an anxious enough kid, Brad.

476
00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:05,540
 -Right.

477
00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:11,940
 Yeah, I remember just like the cloak and dagger aspect of it,

478
00:18:11,940 --> 00:18:14,020
 the, you know, him sneaking around,

479
00:18:14,020 --> 00:18:16,020
 and the stuff he can do with the computers,

480
00:18:16,020 --> 00:18:18,340
 and because that's another thing that we'll get into,

481
00:18:18,340 --> 00:18:19,300
 probably later on,

482
00:18:19,300 --> 00:18:21,380
 is that you see what he does now,

483
00:18:21,380 --> 00:18:22,420
 and you kind of laugh at it.

484
00:18:22,420 --> 00:18:23,940
 You're like, "Oh, look, look at that modem."

485
00:18:23,940 --> 00:18:26,180
 -Oh, shit, that was a bad thing.

486
00:18:26,180 --> 00:18:29,220
 -You know, computers can talk to one another.

487
00:18:29,220 --> 00:18:30,420
 What do you, you know, what?

488
00:18:30,420 --> 00:18:32,660
 You know, that was not common technology

489
00:18:32,660 --> 00:18:34,020
 that everybody had in their house.

490
00:18:34,820 --> 00:18:38,180
 And, you know, that was a foreign concept. I was like, wait, you can actually,

491
00:18:38,180 --> 00:18:40,500
 I had no idea you could call into another.

492
00:18:40,500 --> 00:18:43,300
 Yeah, that was, yeah, that was crazy.

493
00:18:43,300 --> 00:18:44,260
 -Exactly, exactly.

494
00:18:44,260 --> 00:18:46,900
 -I would like it when I had a computer geek dad.

495
00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:50,820
 So, a lot of that I actually really didn't know about,

496
00:18:50,820 --> 00:18:52,580
 but it was still really cool to see.

497
00:18:52,580 --> 00:18:55,460
 -Yeah, I mean, this is 1983,

498
00:18:55,460 --> 00:19:00,180
 and I don't think we started dialing into the internet until, like, 1988.

499
00:19:00,180 --> 00:19:02,820
 Yeah, somewhere in that time period.

500
00:19:02,820 --> 00:19:05,140
 -Yeah. -So, you know, you're years away

501
00:19:05,140 --> 00:19:07,700
 from that just being available to most people.

502
00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:09,620
 -Yeah. I was just saying,

503
00:19:09,620 --> 00:19:12,500
 shame on Ferris Bueller for stealing the idea, though,

504
00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:14,980
 of changes, grades, like...

505
00:19:14,980 --> 00:19:15,860
 -Yeah, yeah.

506
00:19:15,860 --> 00:19:17,860
 -Fucking re-use things.

507
00:19:17,860 --> 00:19:18,900
 -To common things, yeah.

508
00:19:18,900 --> 00:19:22,100
 I mean, I don't remember, in The Lion King, does Simba change his grades?

509
00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:23,700
 -Yeah, he does, he does.

510
00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:24,740
 -Okay, that thought's okay.

511
00:19:24,740 --> 00:19:26,260
 So, that's a Matthew Broderick thing, then.

512
00:19:26,260 --> 00:19:27,140
 -It must be, yeah.

513
00:19:27,140 --> 00:19:29,380
 In Godzilla, you don't remember who changes.

514
00:19:29,380 --> 00:19:31,860
 I mean, people are watching it.

515
00:19:31,860 --> 00:19:35,700
 I mean, purposely, hey, he changed the box office,

516
00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:37,780
 because I was watching Godzilla with the box office.

517
00:19:37,780 --> 00:19:39,700
 [laughter]

518
00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:42,340
 Yeah, I've intentionally forgotten Godzilla, yeah.

519
00:19:42,340 --> 00:19:46,660
 -Project X, he changes the monkey codes, right?

520
00:19:46,660 --> 00:19:49,140
 -Oh, God, we should watch that one.

521
00:19:49,140 --> 00:19:51,380
 -No, I don't want to watch it.

522
00:19:51,380 --> 00:19:57,140
 Project X with Matthew Broderick and Helen Hunt, is it, all right?

523
00:19:57,140 --> 00:19:58,260
 -Yeah, yeah.

524
00:19:58,260 --> 00:20:01,780
 -They're teaching, back to another crazy war movie,

525
00:20:01,780 --> 00:20:05,060
 they're teaching, you've never seen it, Amanda?

526
00:20:05,060 --> 00:20:05,540
 -You know what?

527
00:20:05,540 --> 00:20:06,820
 I think I do know what you're talking about,

528
00:20:06,820 --> 00:20:08,980
 and I specifically make sure I did not watch it.

529
00:20:08,980 --> 00:20:12,420
 -Oh, where they teach the monkeys how to fly the plane

530
00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:14,340
 so that they can at least get the nukes off

531
00:20:14,340 --> 00:20:16,100
 if everybody else in the US has died.

532
00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:16,740
 -Yeah.

533
00:20:16,740 --> 00:20:19,140
 -To at least fuck the Russians over one last time.

534
00:20:19,140 --> 00:20:19,620
 -Yeah.

535
00:20:19,620 --> 00:20:21,460
 -We've trained, we're training monkeys to do it.

536
00:20:21,460 --> 00:20:23,380
 -Yeah, and they don't know what they're doing,

537
00:20:23,380 --> 00:20:24,020
 and then one of the monkeys-

538
00:20:24,020 --> 00:20:24,980
 -No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

539
00:20:24,980 --> 00:20:25,780
 That's not what they're doing.

540
00:20:25,780 --> 00:20:27,380
 They're not training monkeys to do it.

541
00:20:27,380 --> 00:20:30,500
 They're testing on monkeys to see how long they can live.

542
00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:32,660
 -Yeah, after getting a radio.

543
00:20:32,660 --> 00:20:34,820
 -After getting a radio, so that autopilot can do it.

544
00:20:34,820 --> 00:20:35,460
 Yeah, that's what they're doing.

545
00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:36,900
 -Yeah, and then they do it to one of them,

546
00:20:36,900 --> 00:20:39,300
 and you're just like, "Oh my god, that movie."

547
00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:43,780
 I mean, it's a good movie, but it's a hard movie to watch.

548
00:20:43,780 --> 00:20:46,580
 -It's not a good, I mean, yeah, it's terrible, yeah.

549
00:20:46,580 --> 00:20:49,220
 -Yeah, it was an interesting movie, I'll put it that way.

550
00:20:49,220 --> 00:20:51,540
 I mean, what happens in it is horrible, but-

551
00:20:51,540 --> 00:20:53,140
 -Yeah, I don't try to watch that.

552
00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:54,180
 -Yeah.

553
00:20:54,180 --> 00:20:58,660
 -Yeah, so anyway, back to the one. Well, this is a happy podcast.

554
00:20:58,660 --> 00:20:59,460
 -Right.

555
00:20:59,460 --> 00:21:01,380
 -So back to the-

556
00:21:01,380 --> 00:21:02,820
 -Let's talk about the war nuclear war.

557
00:21:02,820 --> 00:21:04,820
 -Yeah, so back to the plot here.

558
00:21:04,820 --> 00:21:06,020
 -Just what you said, nuclear?

559
00:21:06,020 --> 00:21:08,340
 -Nuclear. I don't know what I said.

560
00:21:08,340 --> 00:21:10,260
 -Nuclear.

561
00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:13,220
 -I think I burped a little bit when I was saying it.

562
00:21:13,220 --> 00:21:13,620
 -Sorry.

563
00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:18,740
 -I thought you were just channeling in our Homer Simpson.

564
00:21:18,740 --> 00:21:20,660
 -Yeah, this war brought to you by Budweiser.

565
00:21:20,660 --> 00:21:22,100
 -Yeah, I'm tricking-

566
00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:24,020
 -All right, I'm tricking Italian wine tonight.

567
00:21:24,660 --> 00:21:25,460
 -Oh, fancy.

568
00:21:25,460 --> 00:21:27,540
 -I don't have any access powers, then.

569
00:21:27,540 --> 00:21:32,420
 -That was a pretty deep historical take there, my dear.

570
00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:33,860
 That's impressive.

571
00:21:33,860 --> 00:21:36,260
 -I love to serve, honey.

572
00:21:36,260 --> 00:21:39,140
 -All right, so back to the plot.

573
00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:43,620
 David Leitman, Ferris Bueller, Matthew Broderick,

574
00:21:43,620 --> 00:21:47,700
 a bright but unmotivated Seattle High School student and hacker,

575
00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:49,300
 and actually, he is a hacker.

576
00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:51,540
 You think about hackers from other movies,

577
00:21:51,540 --> 00:21:52,980
 and they're not hackers, he's a hacker.

578
00:21:52,980 --> 00:21:54,020
 -Yes, he is.

579
00:21:54,020 --> 00:21:57,380
 -He uses his computer to break into the school district's computer system

580
00:21:57,380 --> 00:21:58,260
 and changes grades.

581
00:21:58,260 --> 00:22:01,460
 He does the same for his friend and classmate,

582
00:22:01,460 --> 00:22:03,300
 Jennifer Mack, Ali Sheedy.

583
00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:08,660
 Later, while war-diling, it says war-diling.

584
00:22:08,660 --> 00:22:09,620
 -Yeah, that's what that is.

585
00:22:09,620 --> 00:22:11,300
 -That's what- that's just for your dialogue.

586
00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:13,460
 It's also like the auto-dilers, but that's what it's called.

587
00:22:13,460 --> 00:22:14,740
 -He dials all the numbers.

588
00:22:14,740 --> 00:22:16,180
 -He just dialed every number, yeah.

589
00:22:16,180 --> 00:22:16,660
 -Gotcha.

590
00:22:16,660 --> 00:22:20,420
 Okay, so while war-diling numbers in Sunnyvale, California,

591
00:22:20,420 --> 00:22:22,100
 to find a computer game company,

592
00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:25,460
 he connects with a system that does not identify itself.

593
00:22:25,460 --> 00:22:26,820
 Asking for games,

594
00:22:26,820 --> 00:22:28,900
 he finds a list that starts with chess,

595
00:22:28,900 --> 00:22:30,820
 checkers, backgammon, and poker,

596
00:22:30,820 --> 00:22:32,660
 as well as titles such as

597
00:22:32,660 --> 00:22:35,620
 theater-wide biotoxic and chemical warfare,

598
00:22:35,620 --> 00:22:38,260
 and global thermonuclear war,

599
00:22:38,260 --> 00:22:39,380
 but cannot proceed further.

600
00:22:39,380 --> 00:22:41,940
 Two hacker friends explain the concept-

601
00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:44,580
 -All right, all right, we've gone on the way too far.

602
00:22:44,580 --> 00:22:47,780
 -Oh, well, I'm just working on the second paragraph here.

603
00:22:47,780 --> 00:22:49,620
 I've got two more sentences.

604
00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:50,580
 -Yeah, I'm sorry.

605
00:22:50,580 --> 00:22:53,220
 -Now it's okay, two hacker friends explain the concept

606
00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:54,500
 of a backdoor password

607
00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:57,060
 and suggest tracking down the Falcon referenced

608
00:22:57,060 --> 00:22:59,300
 in Falcon's maze, the first game listed.

609
00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,540
 David discovers that Stephen Falcon

610
00:23:01,540 --> 00:23:04,180
 was an early artificial intelligence researcher,

611
00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:05,780
 and David guesses correctly

612
00:23:05,780 --> 00:23:09,780
 that Falcon's dead son's name, Joshua, is the password.

613
00:23:09,780 --> 00:23:11,060
 All right, proceed.

614
00:23:11,060 --> 00:23:15,460
 -So apparently passwords only had six

615
00:23:16,580 --> 00:23:21,220
 well letters in them back then, because I don't know if you guys

616
00:23:21,220 --> 00:23:24,660
 noticed, but when he steals the school password.

617
00:23:24,660 --> 00:23:25,620
 -Pencil?

618
00:23:25,620 --> 00:23:28,500
 -Yeah, but did you see what the other ones were?

619
00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:29,940
 -They were very short.

620
00:23:29,940 --> 00:23:31,300
 -They were all six letters.

621
00:23:31,300 --> 00:23:32,020
 -Yeah.

622
00:23:32,020 --> 00:23:38,340
 -It was travel, public, visual, different handle,

623
00:23:38,340 --> 00:23:41,940
 effort, point, double, and then pencil.

624
00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:46,980
 Sorry, I just-- -That's fascinating.

625
00:23:46,980 --> 00:23:50,020
 -No, it is, and then I just Joshua

626
00:23:50,020 --> 00:23:51,620
 is six letters as well.

627
00:23:51,620 --> 00:23:52,580
 -Yeah.

628
00:23:52,580 --> 00:23:58,660
 -They must have only been up to six letters at that point.

629
00:23:58,660 --> 00:24:00,420
 -That's very possible, because I mean,

630
00:24:00,420 --> 00:24:02,180
 I remember the days when on Windows,

631
00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:05,140
 you couldn't have a file name that was more than eight letters.

632
00:24:05,140 --> 00:24:05,940
 -Well, no, you couldn't.

633
00:24:05,940 --> 00:24:07,780
 In any kind of DOS thing, now that I think about it,

634
00:24:07,780 --> 00:24:08,420
 yeah, you couldn't.

635
00:24:08,420 --> 00:24:08,980
 -Yeah.

636
00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:09,940
 -You had to have, yeah.

637
00:24:09,940 --> 00:24:13,700
 And I think passwords were eight, up to eight characters

638
00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:15,140
 was what it used to, like, in the beginning.

639
00:24:15,140 --> 00:24:15,620
 That's what you--

640
00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:16,820
 -Probably, yeah.

641
00:24:16,820 --> 00:24:18,500
 So that's quite possible.

642
00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:19,700
 Yeah, I didn't even notice that.

643
00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:22,020
 -I like to hear in my head

644
00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:23,540
 where Brad was really his office.

645
00:24:23,540 --> 00:24:27,060
 Person, woman, man, camera, TV.

646
00:24:27,060 --> 00:24:30,260
 -Yes, it is a cognitive test.

647
00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:33,540
 -All right, now, so now Amanda, read those words back to me.

648
00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:34,980
 We're at C House of Cognitive.

649
00:24:36,260 --> 00:24:40,660
 Anti-disestablishmentarianism, and I don't know,

650
00:24:40,660 --> 00:24:41,860
 White House, I forget.

651
00:24:41,860 --> 00:24:45,140
 -Person, woman.

652
00:24:45,140 --> 00:24:48,740
 -We did pass over the one funny part

653
00:24:48,740 --> 00:24:50,740
 that gets him in trouble at school.

654
00:24:50,740 --> 00:24:53,780
 -Oh, yeah, that was pretty good.

655
00:24:53,780 --> 00:24:55,300
 That was pretty good, yeah.

656
00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:58,100
 -Yeah, the asexual reproduction joke was pretty good.

657
00:24:58,100 --> 00:25:00,180
 -Yes, it was the first person

658
00:25:00,180 --> 00:25:02,340
 to recommend asexual reproduction.

659
00:25:02,340 --> 00:25:04,020
 -Who came up, yeah, and he's like, yeah.

660
00:25:04,020 --> 00:25:05,060
 -Yeah, you're right.

661
00:25:05,060 --> 00:25:06,340
 -You're right, you're right.

662
00:25:06,340 --> 00:25:09,860
 -The teacher's reaction, they're just like, get out.

663
00:25:09,860 --> 00:25:14,900
 -He's at a video arcade pizza place

664
00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:16,820
 across the street from school, right?

665
00:25:16,820 --> 00:25:18,340
 When it starts, when you first enter in?

666
00:25:18,340 --> 00:25:19,700
 -Somewhere in New York school, yeah.

667
00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:21,540
 -Yeah, and he's playing Galaga?

668
00:25:21,540 --> 00:25:22,580
 Is he playing Galaga?

669
00:25:22,580 --> 00:25:24,500
 -Yeah, he's playing Galaga.

670
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:25,780
 -Yep, just like in The Avengers.

671
00:25:25,780 --> 00:25:28,980
 -I will tell you, there is a ton of

672
00:25:28,980 --> 00:25:34,340
 faces being reflected in other screens in this movie.

673
00:25:34,340 --> 00:25:37,620
 Like, it is, because that's how the first thing opens up.

674
00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:39,700
 That's how you, Matthew Broderick's face

675
00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:41,780
 is being reflected in the Galaga screen.

676
00:25:41,780 --> 00:25:45,620
 And then it happens all the, like when they're talking,

677
00:25:45,620 --> 00:25:48,020
 when they first are trying to hack,

678
00:25:48,020 --> 00:25:50,820
 when they do the computer thing or with the school district,

679
00:25:50,820 --> 00:25:53,380
 that happens, you see both him and Alashidi.

680
00:25:53,380 --> 00:25:54,820
 You see it, that's a bunch.

681
00:25:54,820 --> 00:25:59,060
 I was like, oh, they really like this visual of that.

682
00:25:59,060 --> 00:26:02,020
 -I think, I don't think our podcast is technical enough

683
00:26:02,020 --> 00:26:03,380
 to get into symbolism.

684
00:26:03,380 --> 00:26:06,020
 I really, I don't think we're going to do that.

685
00:26:06,020 --> 00:26:10,660
 -I don't think that's what it was doing.

686
00:26:10,660 --> 00:26:12,580
 I think it was more just so that the audience can see

687
00:26:12,580 --> 00:26:14,500
 who was at the computer or wherever.

688
00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:18,580
 -I think we've gone from child sacrifice,

689
00:26:18,580 --> 00:26:22,260
 chicken, dick, and boobies to the man machine complex

690
00:26:22,260 --> 00:26:25,860
 and whether or not we're going to get into it together.

691
00:26:25,860 --> 00:26:29,060
 -I've got a whole section on the problems with AI

692
00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:30,580
 and the trolley complex.

693
00:26:30,580 --> 00:26:31,620
 -I don't doubt it.

694
00:26:34,260 --> 00:26:38,020
 -All right, we're going to get philosophical of this one.

695
00:26:38,020 --> 00:26:39,620
 -I do want to keep out.

696
00:26:39,620 --> 00:26:40,660
 -I can just leave now.

697
00:26:40,660 --> 00:26:42,100
 -I do want to keep out.

698
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:46,420
 So I did a little research on his computer that he uses.

699
00:26:46,420 --> 00:26:46,980
 -Okay.

700
00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:49,220
 -The IMSAI 8080?

701
00:26:49,220 --> 00:26:50,100
 -Yes.

702
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:50,820
 -That's exactly what it is.

703
00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:52,180
 -Yes.

704
00:26:52,180 --> 00:26:54,100
 -So I wasn't sure if that was a computer.

705
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:56,420
 I was like, is this something that's made to look like,

706
00:26:56,420 --> 00:26:57,940
 is it a prop or was it,

707
00:26:57,940 --> 00:26:59,780
 but that was a legit computer.

708
00:26:59,780 --> 00:27:00,340
 -Yeah.

709
00:27:00,340 --> 00:27:04,900
 -Started in '75, it was considered the first clone

710
00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:08,500
 of its time for a computer ever.

711
00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:10,580
 And do you want this?

712
00:27:10,580 --> 00:27:13,540
 So it cost about $1,000.

713
00:27:13,540 --> 00:27:16,020
 -I do want to know what kind of memory it had in it.

714
00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:16,660
 Yes, please.

715
00:27:16,660 --> 00:27:20,420
 -600 dollars if you bought the kit,

716
00:27:20,420 --> 00:27:21,860
 which I guess you put together.

717
00:27:21,860 --> 00:27:25,300
 Okay, so it ran on floppies.

718
00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:28,820
 It took four to quarter or eight inch floppies,

719
00:27:28,820 --> 00:27:30,980
 which I didn't know were floppies.

720
00:27:30,980 --> 00:27:33,620
 -I didn't even know eight inch floppies were a thing.

721
00:27:33,620 --> 00:27:34,420
 -Yeah.

722
00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:36,180
 I think I knew about them from this movie,

723
00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:37,220
 to be honest with you.

724
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:42,020
 -It had 4K of memory.

725
00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:46,260
 And wait, wait, wait, wait.

726
00:27:46,260 --> 00:27:47,540
 This is the best part.

727
00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:48,420
 It's hard drive.

728
00:27:48,420 --> 00:27:50,580
 Do you guys want to take a guess at how big a hard drive was?

729
00:27:50,580 --> 00:27:52,420
 -50 megabytes.

730
00:27:52,420 --> 00:27:56,820
 -You're at least the right reference group

731
00:27:56,820 --> 00:27:58,260
 or the right denomination,

732
00:27:58,260 --> 00:27:59,060
 but okay.

733
00:27:59,060 --> 00:28:03,140
 -I'll go with 25.

734
00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:04,340
 -5.

735
00:28:04,340 --> 00:28:06,260
 -Oh my god.

736
00:28:06,260 --> 00:28:09,140
 -5 megabytes.

737
00:28:09,140 --> 00:28:12,500
 Just to put it in perspective, people will record this podcast

738
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:14,980
 for, you know, they're usually about an hour.

739
00:28:14,980 --> 00:28:18,340
 They're typically less than five megabytes of memory.

740
00:28:18,340 --> 00:28:20,340
 Or actually, they might be a little bit more.

741
00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:22,580
 But yeah, so that's all the memory had,

742
00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:24,580
 would be enough to store a podcast.

743
00:28:24,580 --> 00:28:27,860
 -Yeah, I'm looking at a picture of it.

744
00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:29,380
 It had a lot of switches on it.

745
00:28:29,380 --> 00:28:30,820
 -It was, yeah, it was big ahead.

746
00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:31,460
 It's too big.

747
00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:34,660
 -Yeah, because that motor, we pulls that,

748
00:28:34,660 --> 00:28:36,580
 we pulls the floppy out.

749
00:28:36,580 --> 00:28:38,100
 It's like, "That's bigger than five and a quarter."

750
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:39,140
 I was like, "I got to check this out."

751
00:28:39,140 --> 00:28:40,100
 I had to look it up.

752
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:41,540
 Yeah, it had 8-inch floppies.

753
00:28:41,540 --> 00:28:43,140
 It had dual-age floppies.

754
00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:45,380
 So for all the younger listeners,

755
00:28:45,380 --> 00:28:48,820
 what you would do back then is you could run your program

756
00:28:48,820 --> 00:28:51,300
 on one floppy and then use the other floppy

757
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:52,740
 to actually store stuff.

758
00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:55,780
 -Yeah, or you'd have to like run multiple floppies

759
00:28:55,780 --> 00:28:59,380
 and be like, "Inse or disk two of stuff under three of seven."

760
00:28:59,380 --> 00:29:01,140
 So I mean, he had a whole floppy disk

761
00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:03,060
 just for that dialing program.

762
00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:05,460
 -Right. Well, I mean, that's a pretty sweet-ass dialing program

763
00:29:05,460 --> 00:29:07,220
 where he puts in all the pre-tripses,

764
00:29:07,220 --> 00:29:08,500
 and it dials all the numbers.

765
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:13,780
 -So that motor was, do you know what that motor was called?

766
00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:15,060
 -No, what?

767
00:29:15,060 --> 00:29:18,580
 -It's called an acoustic coupler modem.

768
00:29:18,580 --> 00:29:20,820
 And it literally, you pick the variable listen,

769
00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:23,780
 you take the handset back when we had landlines,

770
00:29:23,780 --> 00:29:26,900
 and you take it and you place it into this,

771
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:31,940
 like, I don't know, plastic couplers

772
00:29:31,940 --> 00:29:33,380
 and would hold the whole phone down there

773
00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:34,580
 and just listen to the phone.

774
00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:35,700
 -Yeah, crazy.

775
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:38,100
 -And that's the thing is like, we never even had that.

776
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:39,940
 You just had your phone hooked up in the modem.

777
00:29:39,940 --> 00:29:42,180
 I mean, I never had to use something like that.

778
00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:46,100
 So this is like super early modem technology.

779
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:48,180
 And that's why it was so mind-blowing

780
00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:50,500
 when you saw it for the first time.

781
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:52,100
 -I always wanted one of those.

782
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:54,180
 For some reason, I wanted to have the phone.

783
00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:55,220
 -It just satisfying.

784
00:29:55,220 --> 00:29:56,820
 Like, you have to satisfy with that being like,

785
00:29:56,820 --> 00:29:59,380
 to put the phone, the handset into that thing.

786
00:29:59,380 --> 00:30:03,380
 -Yeah, that was, um, yeah.

787
00:30:03,380 --> 00:30:05,620
 I do want to get into that later

788
00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:06,980
 about how this movie was,

789
00:30:06,980 --> 00:30:09,140
 I don't even want to go into it right now.

790
00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:10,660
 I was talking with Amanda about it earlier.

791
00:30:10,660 --> 00:30:12,500
 But anyway, so do you want me to get back to the summary?

792
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:13,860
 Or did you have more to talk about there, right?

793
00:30:13,860 --> 00:30:16,660
 -So we meet the parents at this point, too, right?

794
00:30:16,660 --> 00:30:17,460
 -Oh, yeah, yeah.

795
00:30:17,460 --> 00:30:21,860
 -Holy shit, like the parents are these great characters

796
00:30:21,860 --> 00:30:25,540
 that they like lace a groundwork for,

797
00:30:25,540 --> 00:30:28,340
 but then we never see them again.

798
00:30:28,340 --> 00:30:30,500
 -Well, I think something's kind of

799
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:31,460
 alienated from them.

800
00:30:31,460 --> 00:30:34,820
 -I know, but they seem like they're decent people,

801
00:30:34,820 --> 00:30:35,940
 like they care about them,

802
00:30:35,940 --> 00:30:37,140
 but they're also just very like,

803
00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:38,340
 "We don't know what he does,

804
00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:40,660
 as long as he's not blowing up something, you know?

805
00:30:40,660 --> 00:30:41,460
 Leave him alone."

806
00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:43,940
 -Dad just seems like disconnected 80s dad,

807
00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:47,140
 who really wants to butter his toast, and that one thing.

808
00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:49,540
 -Now he's buttering his corn,

809
00:30:49,540 --> 00:30:50,820
 and you know where that came from?

810
00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:52,580
 -Oh, no, I mean buttering his corn, yeah, sorry.

811
00:30:52,580 --> 00:30:55,620
 -It's butter's bread, and then he wants the corn in it.

812
00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:58,900
 One of the, I believe it's the director,

813
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:06,100
 was doing a documentary on neo-Nazis in California,

814
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:10,180
 and this guy who was a skinhead in a neo-Nazi,

815
00:31:10,180 --> 00:31:11,940
 like he was interviewing him,

816
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:13,380
 and that's how he buttered his corn,

817
00:31:13,380 --> 00:31:15,060
 and he thought it was just so bizarre.

818
00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:16,020
 He used it in the movie.

819
00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:18,740
 -So that's from a neo-Nazi?

820
00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:19,540
 -Uh-huh.

821
00:31:19,540 --> 00:31:21,940
 -That's a call out to a neo-Nazi?

822
00:31:21,940 --> 00:31:22,660
 Fantastic.

823
00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:25,220
 -I was waiting for it to be some kind of Native American.

824
00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:28,900
 -Well, I think it was just so odd, that...

825
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:30,420
 -That is the best one.

826
00:31:30,420 --> 00:31:34,740
 He takes a bite, and she's like,

827
00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:36,820
 "It's corn is raw, it's raw!"

828
00:31:36,820 --> 00:31:39,540
 He's like, "I know, isn't it so crispy?"

829
00:31:39,540 --> 00:31:42,180
 He's like, "Of course it's crisp, it's not cooked."

830
00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:45,780
 And then she's like, "It takes a lot of vitamins."

831
00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:48,500
 And then he was like, "Can we turn the pills?"

832
00:31:49,540 --> 00:31:53,220
 -Yeah, the parents were kind of throwaway characters in some ways,

833
00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:55,860
 but I mean, you got the idea that he wasn't doing all this stuff

834
00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:57,860
 because he had a terrible homework.

835
00:31:57,860 --> 00:31:58,420
 -Right, right.

836
00:31:58,420 --> 00:31:59,380
 -You know, he was...

837
00:31:59,380 --> 00:32:01,060
 -Yeah.

838
00:32:01,060 --> 00:32:05,540
 -Did you catch the mom makes a sex joke on the phone with the client?

839
00:32:05,540 --> 00:32:06,180
 I don't know if you...

840
00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:06,820
 -Yes.

841
00:32:06,820 --> 00:32:10,180
 -The mom's a real estate agent, and she's on the phone.

842
00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:11,540
 Did you catch it, Amanda?

843
00:32:11,540 --> 00:32:13,700
 -Yeah, I can't remember it, but I didn't...

844
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:16,180
 We had the subtitles, and I was like, "Oh, shit!"

845
00:32:16,180 --> 00:32:17,700
 But I can't remember what it was.

846
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:18,980
 -Yeah, I think I missed that part.

847
00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:21,700
 So she's talking about how...

848
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:22,900
 So she's a real estate agent.

849
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:25,860
 She's obviously talking to a potential buyer.

850
00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:29,140
 She's talking about how the master bedroom, the master bath,

851
00:32:29,140 --> 00:32:30,980
 has jacuzzi jets in the tub.

852
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:31,620
 -That's right.

853
00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:33,940
 -And she's like, "And you know what that means?"

854
00:32:33,940 --> 00:32:35,300
 And she's like, "Woo!"

855
00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:36,180
 And she does this like...

856
00:32:36,180 --> 00:32:39,620
 She totally makes like, "You can masturbate with jacuzzi jets, Joe."

857
00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:40,020
 -Yeah.

858
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:41,300
 -Which is what she's applying.

859
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:41,860
 -Yeah, I'm like...

860
00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:45,300
 [laughter]

861
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:48,580
 -Didn't catch it at the time, and for a fact, I didn't catch it as a kid.

862
00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:50,340
 [laughter]

863
00:32:50,340 --> 00:32:53,860
 -Yeah, I remember that from falling shit.

864
00:32:53,860 --> 00:32:56,020
 -Well, what I thought was really interesting was that the dad

865
00:32:56,020 --> 00:32:59,860
 in this movie could have been the dad from Stranger Things.

866
00:32:59,860 --> 00:33:01,540
 -I remember that too.

867
00:33:01,540 --> 00:33:03,940
 -I don't know if you watched Stranger Things, but it's like, holy crap.

868
00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:07,380
 It's like just saying glasses and just like that kind of...

869
00:33:07,380 --> 00:33:08,500
 -That dude!

870
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:11,860
 -Oh, yeah, I don't know what's going on in my house kind of look.

871
00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:13,300
 -All it does, it's almost...

872
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:16,420
 If the mom was younger, it would be of the part...

873
00:33:16,420 --> 00:33:17,780
 Yeah, it would be a complete...

874
00:33:17,780 --> 00:33:18,980
 Like...

875
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:19,940
 -I'm actually set.

876
00:33:19,940 --> 00:33:20,980
 -Yeah.

877
00:33:20,980 --> 00:33:22,820
 -Yeah, yeah.

878
00:33:22,820 --> 00:33:24,180
 So that was pretty good.

879
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:25,220
 -I thought he looked for...

880
00:33:25,220 --> 00:33:27,140
 I was like, "Why does he look so familiar?"

881
00:33:27,140 --> 00:33:29,460
 [laughter]

882
00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:32,340
 -Yeah, that's the exact vibe I got when I'm watching it.

883
00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:34,660
 And I'm actually like, "He's the dad from Stranger Things.

884
00:33:34,660 --> 00:33:35,700
 Holy shit."

885
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:37,060
 -So...

886
00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:39,060
 -All right, so back to the plot here.

887
00:33:40,420 --> 00:33:44,900
 David does not know that the Sunnyvale phone number connects to Whopper,

888
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:47,780
 the computer, at the Cheyenne Mountain Complex.

889
00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:51,220
 He starts a game of global thermonuclear war,

890
00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:55,060
 playing as the Soviet Union, and starts targeting American cities.

891
00:33:55,060 --> 00:33:58,740
 The computer starts a simulation that briefly convinces the military personnel

892
00:33:58,740 --> 00:34:02,020
 at NORAD that actual Soviet nuclear missiles are inbound.

893
00:34:02,020 --> 00:34:05,700
 While they diffuse the situation, Whopper nonetheless continues

894
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:08,820
 the simulation to trigger the scenario and win the game.

895
00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:12,900
 As it does not understand the difference between reality and simulation.

896
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:17,540
 It continuously feeds false data, such as Soviet bomber incursions

897
00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:19,700
 and submarine deployments to NORAD,

898
00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:22,020
 pushing them to increase the DEF CON level

899
00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:25,780
 and toward a retaliation that will start World War III.

900
00:34:25,780 --> 00:34:28,820
 -And it's terrifying.

901
00:34:28,820 --> 00:34:30,740
 -It is terrifying.

902
00:34:30,740 --> 00:34:31,300
 -Yeah.

903
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:33,700
 -We missed the whole part where he has to figure...

904
00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:35,460
 And so he finally finds...

905
00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:38,340
 We missed the whole part, but we didn't talk about the part where he does change

906
00:34:38,340 --> 00:34:39,300
 the grades around.

907
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:40,180
 -Yep.

908
00:34:40,180 --> 00:34:42,660
 -And Jennifer gets all matches.

909
00:34:42,660 --> 00:34:44,180
 I don't do it, and then she comes back later.

910
00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:45,540
 She's like, "Okay, I'll take the grade."

911
00:34:45,540 --> 00:34:46,580
 And he did change it for her.

912
00:34:46,580 --> 00:34:51,620
 But then she shows them, "Oh, listen, it's been dialed in."

913
00:34:51,620 --> 00:34:52,260
 And they find...

914
00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:55,860
 Yeah, he was looking in the magazine, right?

915
00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:58,180
 And he saw all the new games, and he wanted to break in

916
00:34:58,180 --> 00:35:00,420
 and see if he could find them before they were released.

917
00:35:00,420 --> 00:35:03,380
 And he gets the one...

918
00:35:03,380 --> 00:35:05,060
 This is where...

919
00:35:05,060 --> 00:35:06,660
 The computer stuff is all cool.

920
00:35:06,660 --> 00:35:09,620
 Like I said, I geeked out on the old stuff, but this is where it gets...

921
00:35:09,620 --> 00:35:13,540
 Like, it's just movie computers, not real computers, because...

922
00:35:13,540 --> 00:35:19,780
 They end up getting into the one system, and they just type whatever they want.

923
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:24,740
 And then, of course, he has a box that has the reader talk to him.

924
00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:26,180
 I was like, "What the fuck is this?"

925
00:35:26,180 --> 00:35:27,220
 Like, that's not a thing.

926
00:35:27,220 --> 00:35:28,420
 That was that thing.

927
00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:30,740
 -That was strictly for the movies.

928
00:35:30,740 --> 00:35:32,100
 So people didn't have to read.

929
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:33,860
 I mean, I'm pretty sure that's all that was.

930
00:35:33,860 --> 00:35:34,740
 -Right.

931
00:35:34,740 --> 00:35:40,020
 But it was also the coding or the talking...

932
00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:43,140
 The menu driven everything was just like basic...

933
00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:45,860
 Like, as if you talk to a computer, like you talk to a person.

934
00:35:45,860 --> 00:35:47,700
 -Right. -Like, what are you doing?

935
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:48,580
 How are you today?

936
00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:50,980
 This is where they kind of...

937
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:52,980
 I was like, "All right, this part is a little..."

938
00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:54,420
 I get its little movie magic.

939
00:35:54,420 --> 00:35:55,140
 It was a little...

940
00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:56,500
 -But I think it got literal.

941
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:57,940
 I mean, I think it got literal.

942
00:35:57,940 --> 00:36:02,900
 It would have been just like lines and lines and lines and lines of text.

943
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:06,260
 Like, most of the people who were like, "What does he mean?"

944
00:36:06,260 --> 00:36:07,780
 You'd be like, "What the heck is that?"

945
00:36:07,780 --> 00:36:09,140
 -Right. -What the fuck are you doing?

946
00:36:09,140 --> 00:36:11,860
 -Yeah, you need to streamline all of that.

947
00:36:11,860 --> 00:36:16,180
 I'm not wearing, you know, like half an hour watching a guy type out, you know,

948
00:36:16,180 --> 00:36:18,740
 scene dot.

949
00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:20,580
 I mean, like, you know, you just...

950
00:36:20,580 --> 00:36:21,460
 -I did love...

951
00:36:21,460 --> 00:36:22,740
 So then he's trying to find...

952
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:24,260
 So they get the computer, but he can't get in.

953
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:24,820
 So he's looking.

954
00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:27,780
 That's when he goes and talks to his buddies about the back door.

955
00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:28,980
 -Oh, my God.

956
00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:30,500
 -Oh, that is such a great...

957
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:34,500
 -That is, oh. -No, the computer nerds are fantastic.

958
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:39,540
 -The computer nerds are just like, "Oh, what does he yell at him?"

959
00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:40,740
 I'm talking here.

960
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:41,700
 I'm talking about...

961
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:41,780
 -Mr. But...

962
00:36:41,780 --> 00:36:42,580
 -Mr. But the...

963
00:36:42,580 --> 00:36:43,220
 -Mr. But the head.

964
00:36:43,220 --> 00:36:48,420
 And it's the one guy...

965
00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:50,900
 The one guy, I wish I came out of the actor's name.

966
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:51,460
 He is...

967
00:36:51,460 --> 00:36:53,140
 -And he deezing?

968
00:36:53,140 --> 00:36:53,860
 -Is that his name?

969
00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:54,420
 -Yeah.

970
00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:55,380
 -The really new dude.

971
00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:57,220
 -The geek of all geeks.

972
00:36:57,220 --> 00:36:57,940
 -So he was like in...

973
00:36:57,940 --> 00:37:00,420
 Yeah, he was like in Greece in 1941.

974
00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:01,860
 -Yeah.

975
00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:03,620
 -Polar Express.

976
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:03,940
 -Yep.

977
00:37:03,940 --> 00:37:05,940
 He was the geeky kid in polar...

978
00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:07,940
 The annoying kid in polar Express, yeah.

979
00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:09,860
 -Yeah.

980
00:37:09,860 --> 00:37:10,820
 -That's him.

981
00:37:10,820 --> 00:37:11,860
 -They're too perfect.

982
00:37:11,860 --> 00:37:15,300
 He's like the uber just geeky looking and sounding guy.

983
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:17,700
 And then the other guy is your other classic computer guy.

984
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:19,140
 He was kind of overweight.

985
00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:20,820
 Kind of doesn't take care of himself.

986
00:37:20,820 --> 00:37:23,140
 Smarter than he looks kind of thing.

987
00:37:23,140 --> 00:37:23,460
 -Yeah.

988
00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:24,900
 -I thought that those two...

989
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:26,100
 Those two guys were pretty funny.

990
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:28,100
 -The casting was really good for them.

991
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:31,140
 -Yeah, I agree. I think the casting was pretty good for just about everybody.

992
00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:32,100
 -I think that...

993
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:33,620
 I was literally at a...

994
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:36,020
 This movie was nominated for four Oscars.

995
00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:37,220
 -Was it really?

996
00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:38,420
 -Yeah, I don't know.

997
00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:39,620
 -Yeah, I mean...

998
00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:43,220
 But it was things like...

999
00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:45,460
 Oh, shoot.

1000
00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:47,780
 -Best computer graphics.

1001
00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:50,180
 -No, but there was one...

1002
00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:51,540
 -There was a super voice over.

1003
00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:54,020
 -And the best computer voice.

1004
00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:57,700
 It was nominated for Best Writing.

1005
00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:59,300
 It was written in the screenplay.

1006
00:37:59,300 --> 00:38:02,500
 Best cinematography and best sound.

1007
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:03,700
 -Okay.

1008
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:04,820
 -The sound...

1009
00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:06,020
 -Yeah.

1010
00:38:06,020 --> 00:38:08,900
 It won a bathtub for the sound.

1011
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:10,580
 -Oh, interesting.

1012
00:38:10,580 --> 00:38:17,460
 -I do love the sound when it was doing the montage of him doing the research

1013
00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:21,860
 to find out about Falkland and the computer and what it was.

1014
00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:25,300
 That came over with the name of the company that is the computer company.

1015
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:29,140
 But where he goes, he's going into the library and he's checking out.

1016
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:30,340
 He's going through the computer.

1017
00:38:30,340 --> 00:38:30,980
 -Yeah, yeah.

1018
00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:33,780
 -He's doing his dewy decibel stuff going through.

1019
00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:34,100
 -Yeah.

1020
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:35,460
 -Oh, man, this...

1021
00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:39,140
 That's one of the things is like this computer was...

1022
00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:39,860
 Or this computer.

1023
00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:40,980
 This movie was like...

1024
00:38:40,980 --> 00:38:42,580
 It felt to me...

1025
00:38:42,580 --> 00:38:46,020
 If somebody now tried to make a movie about the '80s...

1026
00:38:46,020 --> 00:38:46,820
 Because there was just...

1027
00:38:46,820 --> 00:38:48,740
 I mean, obviously it was just the '80s.

1028
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:50,100
 But there was so much.

1029
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:51,540
 There were pay phones.

1030
00:38:51,540 --> 00:38:53,300
 And there was microfiche.

1031
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:55,220
 And there were computers with the reel-to-reel.

1032
00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:56,340
 I mean, it was just...

1033
00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:56,820
 -Yeah.

1034
00:38:56,820 --> 00:38:57,220
 -It just...

1035
00:38:57,220 --> 00:38:59,540
 It almost seemed ridiculous, except when you remember,

1036
00:38:59,540 --> 00:39:00,820
 this was made in the '80s.

1037
00:39:00,820 --> 00:39:02,740
 This wasn't somebody making a movie now.

1038
00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:04,420
 -Yeah, but no thought that yeah.

1039
00:39:04,420 --> 00:39:08,980
 The Academy of Science, Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror Films

1040
00:39:08,980 --> 00:39:12,500
 nominated both Matthew Broderick and Allie Sheedy

1041
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:14,980
 for Best Actor and Best Actress for that year, too.

1042
00:39:14,980 --> 00:39:17,860
 I mean, you think like they're so young and they're like...

1043
00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:18,740
 To be nominated.

1044
00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:20,900
 I mean, granted it's, you know, it's a Saturn award.

1045
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:25,460
 But to be nominated for something at that young of an age.

1046
00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:25,700
 -Yeah.

1047
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:27,700
 -I mean, they were good.

1048
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:28,740
 -They were really good.

1049
00:39:28,740 --> 00:39:29,140
 -Yeah.

1050
00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:29,300
 -Yeah.

1051
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:34,180
 So yeah, I had no idea that this was nominated for so many things.

1052
00:39:34,180 --> 00:39:34,500
 -Yeah.

1053
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:35,060
 -We did...

1054
00:39:35,060 --> 00:39:37,940
 We haven't not yet used what the Whopper stands for,

1055
00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:42,180
 which Whopper is the computer that the AI that takes over.

1056
00:39:42,180 --> 00:39:42,820
 -Yeah.

1057
00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:43,860
 I don't have that here.

1058
00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:44,420
 What does it say?

1059
00:39:44,420 --> 00:39:48,900
 -So what about War Operation Plan Response?

1060
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:49,700
 That's right.

1061
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:50,180
 That's right.

1062
00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:51,700
 -Yeah.

1063
00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:52,100
 -So.

1064
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:53,220
 -Yeah.

1065
00:39:53,220 --> 00:39:53,460
 -I know.

1066
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:54,660
 -So the Whopper was like...

1067
00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:58,500
 The sound that they always played with that was so like...

1068
00:39:58,500 --> 00:39:59,140
 -Oh, yeah.

1069
00:39:59,140 --> 00:39:59,940
 -Oh, yeah.

1070
00:39:59,940 --> 00:40:00,740
 -Oh, yeah.

1071
00:40:00,740 --> 00:40:01,940
 -That's almost creepy.

1072
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:02,420
 -Yeah.

1073
00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:21,700
 -We just played that and then it had all these weird lights on it and didn't need to have any...

1074
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:23,060
 And if anyone actually looked...

1075
00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:24,020
 It did have...

1076
00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:26,500
 The one part I was like, "Come on, why would it have it?"

1077
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:27,460
 And when it has...

1078
00:40:27,460 --> 00:40:30,100
 So the Whopper keeps playing like they already said,

1079
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:34,740
 they start playing a game and then the Whopper keeps playing the game

1080
00:40:34,740 --> 00:40:39,460
 and it's trying to win the game and it has like a countdown of how long it's been playing

1081
00:40:39,460 --> 00:40:42,740
 and when it's going to reach the solution on itself.

1082
00:40:42,740 --> 00:40:45,140
 It's counting down and nobody notices that.

1083
00:40:45,140 --> 00:40:46,020
 -Yeah.

1084
00:40:46,820 --> 00:40:48,100
 It was a very small screen.

1085
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:52,740
 Something interesting about that is the Whopper itself,

1086
00:40:52,740 --> 00:40:57,460
 the prop in the movie, was wooden and it was painted to look metal

1087
00:40:57,460 --> 00:41:03,060
 and that display screen was done with like an Apple IIe computer

1088
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:04,660
 and there was like a person who...

1089
00:41:04,660 --> 00:41:06,100
 He was like in the Whopper.

1090
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:08,900
 He was in the prop making that timer show up.

1091
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:09,540
 It's like, you know...

1092
00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:11,700
 -Yeah, we would die inside the...

1093
00:41:14,420 --> 00:41:18,020
 -Some super fancy script you wrote, you know, to have two timers,

1094
00:41:18,020 --> 00:41:19,060
 one on top of the other.

1095
00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:19,460
 -Yeah.

1096
00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:21,620
 -Mine blowing.

1097
00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:24,580
 Okay, so back to the plot.

1098
00:41:24,580 --> 00:41:28,340
 David learns the true nature of his actions from a news broadcast

1099
00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:31,380
 and FBI special agents arrest him and take him to NORAD.

1100
00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:33,860
 So that's just the first sentence in that paragraph.

1101
00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:35,300
 But that part, I thought, was just...

1102
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:36,900
 That was really creepy.

1103
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:40,580
 I mean, I tried to imagine that as like a junior in high school

1104
00:41:40,580 --> 00:41:42,260
 where you suddenly make this connection.

1105
00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:44,340
 -Yeah, with your big gulp.

1106
00:41:44,340 --> 00:41:46,820
 -But no, no, no, where are you coming from?

1107
00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:49,380
 And you're the newscast and you're like, wait a minute.

1108
00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:50,340
 -Oh, that part.

1109
00:41:50,340 --> 00:41:53,940
 -I was going to nuke those two cities and now they're telling me

1110
00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:57,060
 that the government thought those cities were going to get

1111
00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:58,020
 holy shit.

1112
00:41:58,020 --> 00:42:00,740
 And then he goes up and he starts trying to destroy all the stuff in his room.

1113
00:42:00,740 --> 00:42:02,260
 -That was a good headlock moment.

1114
00:42:02,260 --> 00:42:04,980
 -And the fuck in here calls him back.

1115
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:07,140
 -Calls him back, yeah, that part.

1116
00:42:07,140 --> 00:42:10,100
 -It's like holy, that's where it's like, that's where it gets like...

1117
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:13,380
 Okay, so now you're talking the creepiness, this is AI,

1118
00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:16,180
 this is like the shit we're dealing with now still.

1119
00:42:16,180 --> 00:42:16,740
 And it's like...

1120
00:42:16,740 --> 00:42:21,220
 I mean, this is like, this is the precursor to Terminator,

1121
00:42:21,220 --> 00:42:22,500
 Skynet becoming self-aware.

1122
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,260
 Like, this is what we're talking about.

1123
00:42:24,260 --> 00:42:27,460
 I mean, this is the original Skynet, if you think about it.

1124
00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:28,180
 -Yeah.

1125
00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:31,380
 -I mean, this is the computer that controls all of...

1126
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:33,860
 All of it into the world.

1127
00:42:33,860 --> 00:42:35,300
 It can destroy the world.

1128
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:36,260
 And then if it...

1129
00:42:36,260 --> 00:42:37,060
 Yeah, so...

1130
00:42:37,060 --> 00:42:37,620
 -Tries to.

1131
00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:43,220
 -Right. I mean, well, I mean, it tries to, but it doesn't...

1132
00:42:43,220 --> 00:42:46,660
 At least in this, it's not malicious.

1133
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:48,260
 It thinks it's playing a game.

1134
00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:49,060
 -Yeah, yeah.

1135
00:42:49,060 --> 00:42:51,700
 -It doesn't know the difference.

1136
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:55,620
 And they talked about how they use the games to teach the computer

1137
00:42:55,620 --> 00:42:58,900
 when to play and when not to play, but it never could figure it.

1138
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:00,740
 Like, yeah, so they go into that, but yeah, but this...

1139
00:43:00,740 --> 00:43:02,260
 It's not as...

1140
00:43:02,260 --> 00:43:02,980
 It's not as...

1141
00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:07,540
 Yeah, it's not as malicious as Skynet that takes control to take over the world.

1142
00:43:07,540 --> 00:43:09,140
 -Exactly. -And get rid of humans.

1143
00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:11,860
 It's just, "Oh, I'm just trying to win."

1144
00:43:11,860 --> 00:43:17,460
 -Well, but the doctor that created Joshua, that built the Whopper Falcon,

1145
00:43:17,460 --> 00:43:18,980
 has a very...

1146
00:43:18,980 --> 00:43:23,940
 clinical view of the world.

1147
00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:27,540
 And he's pretty cold-hearted in some respects as well.

1148
00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:29,620
 -Holy shit, I never got...

1149
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:33,620
 I mean, we'll get there, but that speech, when they're on the island with him...

1150
00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:34,020
 -Uh-huh.

1151
00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:36,740
 -...I never got how bad.

1152
00:43:36,740 --> 00:43:39,540
 That's what... My notes go dark, like, around there.

1153
00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:42,020
 -That... I remember that.

1154
00:43:42,020 --> 00:43:46,500
 I remember him being like, "Maybe you'll be old enough to have a child and watch him die."

1155
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:49,700
 And I remember that, just being like, "Oh, my God."

1156
00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:51,140
 -And the poor guy.

1157
00:43:51,140 --> 00:43:53,860
 -The guy that wrote the screenplay, actually,

1158
00:43:53,860 --> 00:43:56,820
 based Falcon off of...

1159
00:43:56,820 --> 00:43:58,980
 Oh, dear God.

1160
00:43:58,980 --> 00:44:03,540
 The astrophysicist that had Luke Eric's ALS.

1161
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:06,900
 -How?

1162
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:08,500
 -Hawking?

1163
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:10,020
 -Yes, thank you, Stephen Hawking.

1164
00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:13,140
 Yeah, actually, based his character off of that...

1165
00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:18,020
 You know, off of him, because he was thinking like this man is so incredibly smart,

1166
00:44:18,020 --> 00:44:20,980
 that he could probably unlock a lot of the mysteries of the universe,

1167
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:23,140
 but he's got these limitations.

1168
00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:26,980
 And so, you know, they were actually going to have...

1169
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:30,100
 They were actually going to put the character of Dr. Falcon...

1170
00:44:32,820 --> 00:44:36,020
 John Wood, the British actor, at a point of... in a wheelchair,

1171
00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:39,220
 because, like, it's like a student-hawking kind of call-out,

1172
00:44:39,220 --> 00:44:43,540
 but they didn't do it because they thought that having a famous scientist

1173
00:44:43,540 --> 00:44:48,180
 in a motorized wheelchair in a war room would remind audiences of Dr. Strickland.

1174
00:44:48,180 --> 00:44:53,620
 -That was like, "Oh, my God."

1175
00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:56,740
 -It is about nuclear war, yeah, geez.

1176
00:44:56,740 --> 00:44:57,540
 -That's true.

1177
00:44:57,540 --> 00:44:58,820
 -That's true, that's true.

1178
00:44:58,820 --> 00:45:03,700
 -They were like, "Yeah, we're not going to do that."

1179
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:07,540
 -Oh, yeah, that's me giggling, and you wouldn't know why, right?

1180
00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:09,380
 It's like, "It's serious."

1181
00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:11,700
 -My words go from...

1182
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:13,780
 So, the scene right before they get to...

1183
00:45:13,780 --> 00:45:17,940
 Well, he calls Jennifer, like, I'm skipping ahead,

1184
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:22,420
 but my notes are good old days where there are beer tabs everywhere,

1185
00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:24,340
 because he used to actually make a phone call.

1186
00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:27,940
 And then, my next note is, this movie goes dark.

1187
00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:32,980
 -Yeah, yeah, well, the other thing that would happen to his parents...

1188
00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:38,020
 -Yeah, and the payphone was rotary, did you notice that?

1189
00:45:38,020 --> 00:45:40,420
 -I was like, "Oh, man, I hope there's no minds in that number."

1190
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:43,460
 -Not only was it a payphone,

1191
00:45:43,460 --> 00:45:46,740
 not only did he use a beer tab to, quote-unquote, "hack" into it,

1192
00:45:46,740 --> 00:45:50,260
 but it is a freaking rotary payphone, kind of one of those.

1193
00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:55,540
 So, yeah, so earlier I was mentioning, I was reading my notes,

1194
00:45:55,540 --> 00:45:58,180
 and it fits in right here, because it's when he's doing the montage.

1195
00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:01,940
 -Well, it's actually, he does the research, and he shows Jennifer,

1196
00:46:01,940 --> 00:46:06,420
 the video of Faulkner trying to teach the computer,

1197
00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:08,340
 and she looks at him, she goes, "Faulking."

1198
00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:12,500
 -Faulking, whatever his name is, sorry, "Faulking."

1199
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:16,100
 I get the names wrong a lot on this, that's all right.

1200
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:17,620
 -That's right, I'm here.

1201
00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:22,580
 -Yeah, and she's like, "Oh, that's him, he looks so old."

1202
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:22,900
 And then...

1203
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:24,340
 -Yes!

1204
00:46:24,340 --> 00:46:30,020
 Matthew 41, she goes 41, and then she goes 41, that's old,

1205
00:46:30,020 --> 00:46:31,140
 is what she says.

1206
00:46:31,140 --> 00:46:31,940
 -Yep.

1207
00:46:31,940 --> 00:46:36,340
 -That's my quote, my quote here was 41, that's old,

1208
00:46:36,340 --> 00:46:40,660
 but with my chicken scratch of writing, what I first read was,

1209
00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:46,260
 I thought it said, "Dollar sign 4-1, that's D-D," end quote.

1210
00:46:46,260 --> 00:46:48,260
 And I was like, "What the fuck was that mean?"

1211
00:46:48,260 --> 00:46:50,580
 But it definitely--

1212
00:46:50,580 --> 00:46:52,900
 -That's what my comment was trying to get into.

1213
00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:56,260
 -It's definitely quote 41, that's old, end quote.

1214
00:46:56,260 --> 00:47:02,580
 But I was reading earlier, I was like, "Dollar sign 41,

1215
00:47:02,580 --> 00:47:03,220
 that's--"

1216
00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:06,340
 And he was just like, "What the fuck is that mean?"

1217
00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:12,340
 -Yeah, that was funny, like, "Wow, 41, yeah, he really is old."

1218
00:47:12,340 --> 00:47:14,900
 And I would have agreed with that when I watched this movie.

1219
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:17,460
 And I'm any more, man, that's like you're hitting a prime,

1220
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:18,340
 hitting a stride.

1221
00:47:21,140 --> 00:47:24,420
 -I did write down-- and they actually did explain it,

1222
00:47:24,420 --> 00:47:26,580
 so I guess it says, but I was like, "Why does the Whopper--

1223
00:47:26,580 --> 00:47:28,580
 why is it connected-- it's in Colorado.

1224
00:47:28,580 --> 00:47:31,540
 Why is it connected to a Sunnyvale, California number?"

1225
00:47:31,540 --> 00:47:34,820
 -But they actually do explain that later on,

1226
00:47:34,820 --> 00:47:37,460
 because they talk about how the kid got in the system.

1227
00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:38,820
 I don't know if you remember, there's a whole scene,

1228
00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:43,140
 it's like he found a backdoor in our game division in Sunnyvale.

1229
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:44,340
 -Yeah, yeah.

1230
00:47:44,340 --> 00:47:44,820
 -Yeah, yeah.

1231
00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:46,180
 -So--

1232
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:48,660
 -So, okay, so back to the summary,

1233
00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:50,980
 because that was-- I'm on the fourth paragraph,

1234
00:47:50,980 --> 00:47:52,260
 and I read the first sentence

1235
00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:54,420
 before I had to go into the whole newscast thing,

1236
00:47:54,420 --> 00:47:56,980
 because that freaked me out.

1237
00:47:56,980 --> 00:48:00,020
 So, okay, so he realizes-- I guess this is David.

1238
00:48:00,020 --> 00:48:03,460
 That Whopper is behind the NORAD alerts,

1239
00:48:03,460 --> 00:48:07,620
 but he fails to convince McKittrick,

1240
00:48:07,620 --> 00:48:10,340
 who suspects David is working for the Soviets,

1241
00:48:10,340 --> 00:48:12,340
 and he faces Esteineau's charges.

1242
00:48:12,340 --> 00:48:15,060
 David escapes NORAD by joining a tourist group.

1243
00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:17,140
 There's more to it than that, we'll get into it.

1244
00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:19,540
 And with David's help travels to the Oregon island,

1245
00:48:19,540 --> 00:48:20,980
 where Falcon lives.

1246
00:48:20,980 --> 00:48:23,780
 David and Jennifer find that Falcon has become despondent

1247
00:48:23,780 --> 00:48:25,940
 and believes that nuclear war is inevitable,

1248
00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:29,380
 and that it is a futile, as a game of tic-tac-toe,

1249
00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:31,300
 between two experienced players.

1250
00:48:31,300 --> 00:48:34,260
 The teenagers convince Falcon that he should return to NORAD

1251
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:35,460
 and stop Whopper.

1252
00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:36,900
 So, there's a whole lot there.

1253
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:42,660
 I mean, the way he gets out of the room he's trapped in at NORAD,

1254
00:48:42,660 --> 00:48:44,100
 I always thought that was awesome.

1255
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:45,140
 -I did too.

1256
00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:49,540
 -I did too. But it also falls into a total movie's trope of--

1257
00:48:49,540 --> 00:48:51,700
 He had--

1258
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:54,020
 We have to have a woman being sexually harassed.

1259
00:48:54,020 --> 00:48:57,220
 -Oh, my gosh. There were masses.

1260
00:48:57,220 --> 00:49:03,460
 -Yeah, the sergeant stash is hitting on the nurse.

1261
00:49:03,460 --> 00:49:05,860
 Yeah, she's a nurse, right?

1262
00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:06,900
 She's putting in the--

1263
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:09,140
 -Yeah. -He's like, "Oh, you play tennis.

1264
00:49:09,140 --> 00:49:11,940
 Is there a programming that can be a better backhand?"

1265
00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:14,180
 And she's like, "I don't think there's a program for that."

1266
00:49:14,180 --> 00:49:15,780
 And he's like, "Well, what would it take?"

1267
00:49:15,780 --> 00:49:18,420
 -And you were telling, she's trying at first to be nice,

1268
00:49:18,420 --> 00:49:19,380
 where she's like laughing.

1269
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:21,940
 And she's like, "Ha-ha, yeah, that-- well, so we don't have that."

1270
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:23,300
 -Yeah. -I mean, Simon says,

1271
00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:24,740
 he thought he says, "Am I on the line?"

1272
00:49:24,740 --> 00:49:26,580
 And she's like, "Yeah, yeah, I know."

1273
00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:28,900
 -He's-- he's so in her space, too.

1274
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:30,180
 I mean, just like, lean and sit down.

1275
00:49:30,180 --> 00:49:31,940
 -And she's like, "Get away from me, yeah."

1276
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:33,540
 -Yeah. -Yeah, he was creepy.

1277
00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:36,020
 -Sargent. -Yeah, the way that--

1278
00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:37,700
 The way that David gets out of that room,

1279
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:39,860
 you know, who knows if that would work?

1280
00:49:39,860 --> 00:49:41,300
 But I always thought that was really cool.

1281
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:44,740
 That he just had the ability to think that through, you know,

1282
00:49:44,740 --> 00:49:47,460
 you-- the scissors to connect up and, you know--

1283
00:49:47,460 --> 00:49:49,060
 -Do we call me over? -Let me--

1284
00:49:49,060 --> 00:49:49,700
 -Yeah. -Yeah.

1285
00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:52,340
 [ Laughter ]

1286
00:49:52,340 --> 00:49:54,500
 -That was pretty-- I mean, like, I remember watching that part

1287
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:55,940
 and thinking that was pretty badass.

1288
00:49:55,940 --> 00:49:57,540
 -Yeah. And I mean, something--

1289
00:49:57,540 --> 00:49:59,700
 -I'm serious. -Yeah, go ahead, Brad.

1290
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:01,700
 -No, you don't. [ Laughter ]

1291
00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:04,420
 -Okay. Something Amanda and I were talking about is like,

1292
00:50:04,420 --> 00:50:07,060
 the FBI-- he gets away from the FBI agents,

1293
00:50:07,060 --> 00:50:08,580
 but they don't make it, like,

1294
00:50:08,580 --> 00:50:10,980
 to where the FBI is overly bumbling.

1295
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:12,820
 You know, it's like they come to get him,

1296
00:50:12,820 --> 00:50:14,980
 they try to get in the room, you know,

1297
00:50:14,980 --> 00:50:17,060
 they figure he's in there, they break in finally,

1298
00:50:17,060 --> 00:50:18,820
 they realize he's not-- and then they try to find him.

1299
00:50:18,820 --> 00:50:20,580
 It's not, like, some Keystone cops thing,

1300
00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:21,860
 like, other movies we've--

1301
00:50:21,860 --> 00:50:22,660
 -Yeah. -Right.

1302
00:50:22,660 --> 00:50:24,420
 -It's like, look, the stupid FBI agents.

1303
00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:26,260
 I mean, they caught him really fast

1304
00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:28,100
 after he initially broke in.

1305
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:30,980
 And, I mean, I feel like he escaped with somewhat believable.

1306
00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:32,900
 I mean, he was sneaking around, he was in air ducts,

1307
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:34,420
 he was in elevator shafts.

1308
00:50:34,420 --> 00:50:36,020
 -But then he just kind of went with the--

1309
00:50:36,020 --> 00:50:37,700
 like, the anonymity of a tour group.

1310
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:39,300
 -Yeah, and I could see that working,

1311
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:40,980
 because it'd be like, I don't remember that guy.

1312
00:50:40,980 --> 00:50:42,180
 Oh, well, you know, that's--

1313
00:50:42,180 --> 00:50:44,820
 people just-- if you look like you belong in something,

1314
00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:46,580
 people a lot of times won't question it.

1315
00:50:46,580 --> 00:50:49,060
 So, I felt like that was a pretty cool method

1316
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:50,500
 of getting him out of--

1317
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:53,060
 -No, I agree with that, I think.

1318
00:50:53,060 --> 00:50:55,540
 I mean, I-- I don't have any problem with it.

1319
00:50:55,540 --> 00:50:59,300
 Where-- he-- oh, that's--

1320
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:00,900
 Oh, I got the line where he uses--

1321
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:03,220
 he says that they need to beef up the security

1322
00:51:03,220 --> 00:51:04,420
 around the lopper, as much--

1323
00:51:04,420 --> 00:51:08,660
 [ Laughter ]

1324
00:51:08,660 --> 00:51:10,980
 -Oh, right, because whopper is a burger thing.

1325
00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:12,420
 -Right, yeah. -I knew that.

1326
00:51:12,420 --> 00:51:13,460
 I knew that.

1327
00:51:13,460 --> 00:51:16,900
 -Here's my thing, this timeline doesn't work for me.

1328
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:19,220
 The hour--

1329
00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:21,220
 -You mean, like, how short it happens?

1330
00:51:21,220 --> 00:51:22,500
 -How short it-- because he--

1331
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:23,300
 -Yeah.

1332
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:26,100
 -So, okay, how crazy is this?

1333
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:29,140
 They arrest him in Seattle, Washington.

1334
00:51:29,140 --> 00:51:33,780
 Then they fly him to Colorado Springs.

1335
00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:34,820
 That's where Nora at is.

1336
00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:37,380
 That's where they take him to interrogate him, right?

1337
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:38,180
 -Right.

1338
00:51:38,180 --> 00:51:41,300
 -They-- they-- they don't tell his parents--

1339
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:44,500
 I mean, at one point, there's a throwaway line.

1340
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:46,260
 -When his parents were correct,

1341
00:51:46,260 --> 00:51:47,220
 'cause he's talking to Jennifer,

1342
00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:48,580
 and she's like, "You have the FBI, you know what I'm saying?

1343
00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:49,700
 Your parents were crying?"

1344
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:51,860
 -No, but now Gary-- Gary caught with--

1345
00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:53,780
 he does say, "Well, we contact your parents,

1346
00:51:53,780 --> 00:51:54,660
 they're all aware."

1347
00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:56,500
 But like, they picked-- the FBI picks him up

1348
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:57,700
 and puts him on a plane.

1349
00:51:57,700 --> 00:52:00,580
 It doesn't-- like, that's insane.

1350
00:52:00,580 --> 00:52:02,100
 There's no way that would-- I mean, like--

1351
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:04,100
 -Well, really? I don't--

1352
00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:04,580
 -Well--

1353
00:52:04,580 --> 00:52:06,420
 -I don't know if he thought somebody was a spy.

1354
00:52:06,420 --> 00:52:08,420
 -I don't know. I don't know if he thought they was a spy.

1355
00:52:08,420 --> 00:52:10,260
 -I can ask that, but why--

1356
00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:11,060
 -I know.

1357
00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:13,220
 Why would they fly him to Nora at, though?

1358
00:52:13,220 --> 00:52:15,220
 Why would you take him to the security department?

1359
00:52:15,220 --> 00:52:16,260
 -Because it's a movie.

1360
00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:18,100
 -Well, no, because then they have to--

1361
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:19,540
 the expert, McKittrick,

1362
00:52:19,540 --> 00:52:21,140
 Dabney Coleman's character,

1363
00:52:21,140 --> 00:52:23,300
 needs to talk to this kid and find out what the hell he did,

1364
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:24,020
 how he did it.

1365
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:24,820
 -That's true.

1366
00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:25,940
 Okay, that's true.

1367
00:52:25,940 --> 00:52:26,980
 -Because that's from McKittrick.

1368
00:52:26,980 --> 00:52:29,700
 -Okay, but there's time between when he does the--

1369
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:31,140
 starts it, right?

1370
00:52:31,140 --> 00:52:32,020
 And it's calling him back.

1371
00:52:32,020 --> 00:52:35,780
 It's like another day before he gets picked up by the FBI.

1372
00:52:35,780 --> 00:52:36,900
 -Why wouldn't McKittrick--

1373
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:38,260
 they'd be like, "Hey, we got this kid.

1374
00:52:38,260 --> 00:52:39,460
 We think we know where it came from.

1375
00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:40,740
 We think we got him."

1376
00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:41,940
 They'd just fly him out.

1377
00:52:41,940 --> 00:52:43,940
 They wouldn't fly the kid to the center.

1378
00:52:43,940 --> 00:52:45,220
 -I think because McKittrick

1379
00:52:45,220 --> 00:52:46,580
 he has to be there.

1380
00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:48,340
 Like, if the shit keeps going down,

1381
00:52:48,340 --> 00:52:49,700
 they need help.

1382
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:50,660
 -For what?

1383
00:52:50,660 --> 00:52:51,380
 -Because I don't know.

1384
00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:52,180
 They don't--

1385
00:52:52,180 --> 00:52:53,060
 -He really does.

1386
00:52:53,060 --> 00:52:55,780
 -Okay, but it was supposed to be the guy that was--

1387
00:52:55,780 --> 00:52:58,420
 -Yeah, he's a computer expert.

1388
00:52:58,420 --> 00:53:00,500
 And, you know, the computer keeps growing up.

1389
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:00,900
 -But he's not--

1390
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:01,940
 He's got the other guy.

1391
00:53:01,940 --> 00:53:05,780
 He's got the balling--

1392
00:53:05,780 --> 00:53:08,020
 -Yeah, the real guy.

1393
00:53:08,020 --> 00:53:09,380
 -And it's not your looking kind of guy.

1394
00:53:09,380 --> 00:53:10,740
 -Who comes right?

1395
00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:11,460
 It's like--

1396
00:53:11,460 --> 00:53:12,580
 -It's a simulation.

1397
00:53:12,580 --> 00:53:13,540
 It's a simulation.

1398
00:53:13,540 --> 00:53:14,100
 -Yeah.

1399
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:14,340
 -Yeah.

1400
00:53:14,340 --> 00:53:16,500
 -I don't know.

1401
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:19,140
 For me, in general, the thing is,

1402
00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:22,100
 it's like all of this from the moment he starts the game

1403
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:25,300
 till the end is a little over two days.

1404
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:26,660
 It's, what, 52 hours?

1405
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:27,940
 That's just--

1406
00:53:27,940 --> 00:53:30,740
 I don't remember the time frame being that short.

1407
00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:32,580
 It's not going to be a week.

1408
00:53:32,580 --> 00:53:35,540
 -It's not possible because, like, it's a three-hour flight.

1409
00:53:35,540 --> 00:53:36,180
 Okay.

1410
00:53:36,180 --> 00:53:37,300
 I mean, I did the math on it.

1411
00:53:37,300 --> 00:53:38,980
 I'm like, okay, if he goes--

1412
00:53:38,980 --> 00:53:42,180
 If they pick him up and it says--

1413
00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:45,060
 I think when they pick him up, it comes out and it says it's like--

1414
00:53:45,060 --> 00:53:47,700
 It says it's only like 28 hours or something at that point.

1415
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:50,660
 It's a three-hour flight to Colorado Springs.

1416
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:55,300
 It's not like it's they fly into NORAD, right?

1417
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:55,860
 They have to--

1418
00:53:55,860 --> 00:53:56,340
 -Yeah, that's true.

1419
00:53:56,340 --> 00:53:59,060
 -Like, so let's just say drive to--

1420
00:53:59,060 --> 00:54:02,500
 The math doesn't work, and then he leaves there, escapes.

1421
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:05,540
 Who knows how long he's been locked up, but whatever.

1422
00:54:05,540 --> 00:54:06,500
 But then he leaves.

1423
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:09,700
 Then he flies from there, they fly to Oregon, right?

1424
00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:12,100
 And then they spend the night there.

1425
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:15,220
 Well, they don't spend the night because they get the helicopter right.

1426
00:54:15,220 --> 00:54:17,380
 But then they get the helicopter and they barely get back.

1427
00:54:17,380 --> 00:54:18,580
 I just don't take the time.

1428
00:54:18,580 --> 00:54:20,820
 -It would be tight.

1429
00:54:20,820 --> 00:54:22,740
 I mean, but you have to remember, first of all,

1430
00:54:22,740 --> 00:54:25,140
 this was back in the day when you could just walk on an airplane.

1431
00:54:25,140 --> 00:54:25,700
 You could walk up--

1432
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:27,060
 -We were talking about that, yeah.

1433
00:54:27,060 --> 00:54:29,540
 And be like, one ticket to Oregon, please.

1434
00:54:29,540 --> 00:54:32,580
 And an hour later, the plane's off the ground.

1435
00:54:32,580 --> 00:54:35,060
 And remember, this is the '80s.

1436
00:54:35,060 --> 00:54:35,860
 The American--

1437
00:54:35,860 --> 00:54:37,460
 United States was smaller back then.

1438
00:54:37,460 --> 00:54:40,660
 -There weren't as many people here

1439
00:54:40,660 --> 00:54:44,100
 so you could easily get from Oregon to Colorado, right?

1440
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:45,300
 -No, exactly.

1441
00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:45,860
 Yeah, yeah.

1442
00:54:45,860 --> 00:54:47,300
 It was just everything was smaller back then.

1443
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:47,860
 -I gotcha.

1444
00:54:47,860 --> 00:54:48,980
 I forgot about that.

1445
00:54:48,980 --> 00:54:52,020
 I just thought it's like they're just a fly.

1446
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:52,740
 I just keep--

1447
00:54:52,740 --> 00:54:56,180
 I cannot believe that they would pick a kid up and fly him.

1448
00:54:57,460 --> 00:54:59,940
 Three states, four states away, whatever it is.

1449
00:54:59,940 --> 00:55:01,780
 I guess, I don't know.

1450
00:55:01,780 --> 00:55:02,420
 -I don't know, man.

1451
00:55:02,420 --> 00:55:04,820
 -The only thing is, I mean, in their eyes,

1452
00:55:04,820 --> 00:55:06,740
 in their defense, in their eyes, he's not a kid.

1453
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:07,700
 He's a Soviet spy.

1454
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:08,420
 -Sure.

1455
00:55:08,420 --> 00:55:11,700
 -Which, you know, there would be a character in the way back then.

1456
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:14,180
 That sort of paranoia, that's--

1457
00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:15,700
 I remember it being like that.

1458
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:18,100
 This was not something you screwed around with.

1459
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:19,460
 And so maybe--

1460
00:55:19,460 --> 00:55:22,740
 But I almost feel like this had to take place over like four days.

1461
00:55:22,740 --> 00:55:24,260
 If you doubled the time frame,

1462
00:55:24,260 --> 00:55:26,180
 I feel like it would be much more doable

1463
00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:27,940
 with their getting to Oregon.

1464
00:55:27,940 --> 00:55:30,820
 Finding Falkham, convincing him to join you.

1465
00:55:30,820 --> 00:55:33,140
 They do it in the movie.

1466
00:55:33,140 --> 00:55:35,300
 It's done in that time frame,

1467
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:37,940
 but I just don't know how possible that would have been.

1468
00:55:37,940 --> 00:55:39,540
 -All right, it's not applicable.

1469
00:55:39,540 --> 00:55:41,540
 -Hey, I was looking at my notes again.

1470
00:55:41,540 --> 00:55:43,460
 I got one thing going back to Mr. Creepy.

1471
00:55:43,460 --> 00:55:46,420
 Do you remember what he said to--

1472
00:55:46,420 --> 00:55:49,300
 Oh, you voted Miss Fine in 1979?

1473
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:49,700
 -Oh, my God.

1474
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:52,580
 -Yeah, anyway.

1475
00:55:52,580 --> 00:55:54,020
 -He was gross.

1476
00:55:54,020 --> 00:55:56,260
 -Yeah, he was.

1477
00:55:56,260 --> 00:55:57,700
 -I hope he got fired.

1478
00:55:57,700 --> 00:55:58,500
 -Yeah, exactly.

1479
00:55:58,500 --> 00:56:00,420
 I hope he got dishonorably discharged

1480
00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:01,780
 or something for being a dipshit.

1481
00:56:01,780 --> 00:56:05,700
 So, okay, so we have two more paragraphs

1482
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:06,660
 left on our summary here.

1483
00:56:06,660 --> 00:56:07,620
 We're getting into the--

1484
00:56:07,620 --> 00:56:08,820
 -All right, let's do it.

1485
00:56:08,820 --> 00:56:12,180
 -So, Whopper stages a massive Soviet first strike

1486
00:56:12,180 --> 00:56:14,740
 with hundreds of missiles, submarines, and bombers.

1487
00:56:14,740 --> 00:56:16,580
 Believing the attack to be genuine,

1488
00:56:16,580 --> 00:56:18,660
 Norad prepares to retaliate.

1489
00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:20,180
 Falkham, David, and Jennifer,

1490
00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:22,900
 convince military officials to cancel the second strike

1491
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:24,180
 and ride out the attack.

1492
00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:26,500
 Whopper tries to launch the missiles,

1493
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:30,420
 instead, using a brute force attack to obtain launch codes.

1494
00:56:30,420 --> 00:56:32,820
 Without humans in the control center as a safeguard,

1495
00:56:32,820 --> 00:56:35,060
 the computer will trigger a mass launch.

1496
00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:37,460
 All attempts to log in and order Whopper

1497
00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:39,460
 to cancel the countdown fail.

1498
00:56:39,460 --> 00:56:42,180
 Disconnecting the computers discussed and dismissed

1499
00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:44,660
 as a fail safe will launch all weapons

1500
00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:45,860
 if the computer is disabled.

1501
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:48,100
 There's a lot there to uncheck.

1502
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:50,580
 That is like the best scene in the movie,

1503
00:56:50,580 --> 00:56:53,700
 where it's just all the simulations of all the different missiles.

1504
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:55,220
 -And now it's terrifying.

1505
00:56:55,220 --> 00:56:59,060
 -Still, even now, that part was just fantastic.

1506
00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:01,540
 -And I was reading all the scenarios this time.

1507
00:57:01,540 --> 00:57:02,500
 I was reading like this.

1508
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:04,660
 -Yeah, the different, like the different bombers

1509
00:57:04,660 --> 00:57:07,060
 on the bottom right where it's like, you know, the--

1510
00:57:07,060 --> 00:57:10,820
 -Yeah, I actually just think, yep.

1511
00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:12,420
 And I distinctly remember the one where

1512
00:57:12,420 --> 00:57:14,020
 it was like the Southeast Asia strike

1513
00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:15,380
 where they like stick down,

1514
00:57:15,380 --> 00:57:17,060
 and then everything just goes off and--

1515
00:57:17,060 --> 00:57:18,020
 -And everything's that, yeah.

1516
00:57:18,020 --> 00:57:20,260
 -And every single instance,

1517
00:57:20,260 --> 00:57:21,860
 the rope gone.

1518
00:57:21,860 --> 00:57:23,860
 And is that one of our cats?

1519
00:57:23,860 --> 00:57:24,980
 -Yeah, that was right.

1520
00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:30,420
 -That part still was incredible.

1521
00:57:30,420 --> 00:57:33,860
 And then when, you know, they think they've got it to where,

1522
00:57:33,860 --> 00:57:35,460
 okay, obvious, well, before that,

1523
00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:39,140
 it's okay, this isn't a real strike.

1524
00:57:39,140 --> 00:57:41,060
 And the guys are like, "Holy shit, we're still here."

1525
00:57:41,060 --> 00:57:43,940
 And then the launch code thing comes up.

1526
00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:46,260
 And just like the music and the background with that

1527
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:46,980
 and while they're--

1528
00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:48,100
 -And what do I--

1529
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:50,100
 -You know, will we unplug the computer?

1530
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:50,900
 No, if we unplug it,

1531
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:52,420
 it's going to think it's been destroyed in a launch.

1532
00:57:52,420 --> 00:57:52,980
 Anyway.

1533
00:57:52,980 --> 00:57:54,420
 -I wish she was just like counting down,

1534
00:57:54,420 --> 00:57:56,340
 but like she's like, "He's got one number."

1535
00:57:56,340 --> 00:57:57,140
 -Yeah.

1536
00:57:57,140 --> 00:57:58,180
 -I got two of those.

1537
00:57:58,180 --> 00:57:58,980
 -That in time.

1538
00:57:58,980 --> 00:58:00,180
 -It's disgusting.

1539
00:58:00,180 --> 00:58:02,020
 Dabney Coleman's disgusting assistant

1540
00:58:02,020 --> 00:58:04,340
 that takes his gum at one point and puts it on.

1541
00:58:04,340 --> 00:58:06,180
 -She puts it in her mouth like that.

1542
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:08,660
 [ Laughter ]

1543
00:58:08,660 --> 00:58:10,020
 -You don't know.

1544
00:58:10,020 --> 00:58:11,620
 [ Laughter ]

1545
00:58:11,620 --> 00:58:14,820
 -Yeah, I actually jumped ahead a little bit

1546
00:58:14,820 --> 00:58:16,900
 because the part I was talking about with all the scenarios

1547
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:18,260
 comes after this initial.

1548
00:58:18,260 --> 00:58:19,620
 The first thing that happens is

1549
00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:20,820
 the Soviet strike comes in,

1550
00:58:20,820 --> 00:58:22,260
 they decide not to launch,

1551
00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:24,020
 and it turns out it's all fake.

1552
00:58:24,020 --> 00:58:25,140
 And then they realize,

1553
00:58:25,140 --> 00:58:27,140
 "Oh wait, Whopper's going to launch the missiles anyway."

1554
00:58:27,140 --> 00:58:28,020
 So we've had the--

1555
00:58:28,020 --> 00:58:29,300
 -That's when they teach the group.

1556
00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:31,220
 They have to play tic-tac-toe with it.

1557
00:58:31,220 --> 00:58:32,180
 -Yeah, so I'll go ahead.

1558
00:58:32,180 --> 00:58:33,060
 Let me finish the summary

1559
00:58:33,060 --> 00:58:34,100
 because it gets into all that

1560
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:35,700
 and then we can kind of talk about everything.

1561
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:36,740
 -So we didn't even talk about--

1562
00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:37,300
 Wait.

1563
00:58:37,300 --> 00:58:39,220
 We didn't even talk about Falcon on the island, though.

1564
00:58:39,220 --> 00:58:40,740
 That scene is--

1565
00:58:40,740 --> 00:58:43,540
 -Yeah, yeah.

1566
00:58:43,540 --> 00:58:44,660
 Well, how about this?

1567
00:58:44,660 --> 00:58:45,700
 Let me get through the summary

1568
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:48,020
 and then we can go back and talk about a couple of these things.

1569
00:58:48,020 --> 00:58:48,740
 -Yeah.

1570
00:58:48,740 --> 00:58:50,740
 -So Falcon and David direct the computer

1571
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:52,980
 to play tic-tac-toe against itself.

1572
00:58:52,980 --> 00:58:54,900
 This results in a long string of draws

1573
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:57,540
 forcing the computer to learn the concept of utility

1574
00:58:57,540 --> 00:58:58,980
 and no win scenarios.

1575
00:58:58,980 --> 00:59:00,420
 Whopper obtains to launch codes,

1576
00:59:00,420 --> 00:59:01,300
 but before launching,

1577
00:59:01,300 --> 00:59:03,700
 it cycles through all the nuclear war scenarios

1578
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:05,060
 that is devised,

1579
00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:07,940
 finding that they all result in draws as well.

1580
00:59:07,940 --> 00:59:11,220
 Having discovered the concept of mutually assured destruction,

1581
00:59:11,220 --> 00:59:13,300
 the computer tells Falcon that it is concluded

1582
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:15,620
 that nuclear war is a strange game,

1583
00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:17,060
 in which, quote,

1584
00:59:17,060 --> 00:59:18,980
 "The only winning move is not to play."

1585
00:59:18,980 --> 00:59:21,620
 Whopper relinkers his control of NORAD

1586
00:59:21,620 --> 00:59:25,380
 and the missiles and offers to play a nice game of chess.

1587
00:59:25,380 --> 00:59:26,260
 -So good.

1588
00:59:26,260 --> 00:59:27,540
 -That's--

1589
00:59:27,540 --> 00:59:30,180
 -So pretty, yeah.

1590
00:59:30,180 --> 00:59:30,740
 -Yeah.

1591
00:59:30,740 --> 00:59:32,180
 Going back,

1592
00:59:32,180 --> 00:59:35,140
 yeah, the scene where they're on the island with Falcon,

1593
00:59:35,140 --> 00:59:36,020
 any--

1594
00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:38,100
 It's something about, like, that movie projector.

1595
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:38,580
 -Right.

1596
00:59:38,580 --> 00:59:40,020
 -He pulls the screen down and it's--

1597
00:59:40,020 --> 00:59:42,180
 -It's standing in front of it, yeah.

1598
00:59:42,180 --> 00:59:42,660
 -Yeah.

1599
00:59:42,660 --> 00:59:46,340
 -It was a horrible, like, free Jurassic Park dinosaur footage,

1600
00:59:46,340 --> 00:59:49,700
 but still, what he's talking about is just so creepy.

1601
00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:50,740
 -He's like, "Yeah.

1602
00:59:50,740 --> 00:59:51,780
 They lived forever.

1603
00:59:51,780 --> 00:59:55,220
 They lived, and then till nature decides they couldn't be here anymore."

1604
00:59:55,220 --> 00:59:57,060
 And he's like, "Maybe it's our turn."

1605
00:59:57,060 --> 00:59:57,940
 And he's like, "Yeah."

1606
00:59:57,940 --> 01:00:00,980
 -"Just so critical about it."

1607
01:00:00,980 --> 01:00:03,220
 -Yeah, I know, but he's--

1608
01:00:03,220 --> 01:00:04,020
 I mean, like, it's--

1609
01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:06,900
 -He has a point.

1610
01:00:06,900 --> 01:00:08,260
 -He's got a point, yeah.

1611
01:00:08,260 --> 01:00:09,220
 I mean, he's got a point, like,

1612
01:00:09,220 --> 01:00:11,620
 "Yeah, if we're going to destroy the Earth anyway,"

1613
01:00:11,620 --> 01:00:14,100
 like, we're just doing it a different way now.

1614
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:17,220
 I mean, it's just--

1615
01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:18,180
 It's still, like, holds up.

1616
01:00:18,180 --> 01:00:19,460
 Like, the argument still holds up.

1617
01:00:19,460 --> 01:00:21,780
 Like, I could see people being like--

1618
01:00:21,780 --> 01:00:25,220
 And then, like, the scene where they're trying to find the boat,

1619
01:00:25,220 --> 01:00:27,220
 Matthew Broderick, and, uh--

1620
01:00:27,220 --> 01:00:28,260
 -Yeah, it was, like--

1621
01:00:28,260 --> 01:00:29,780
 -He was like, "Oh, like, I'm just playing about him."

1622
01:00:29,780 --> 01:00:30,900
 -I just had a lot of stuff.

1623
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:32,900
 -I thought it would be more time.

1624
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:34,020
 -Yeah, that is--

1625
01:00:34,020 --> 01:00:34,500
 -Yeah.

1626
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:36,020
 -I was like, "Jesus Christ."

1627
01:00:36,020 --> 01:00:38,820
 -I think that would be happening.

1628
01:00:38,820 --> 01:00:40,820
 If all of a sudden, tomorrow you found out

1629
01:00:40,820 --> 01:00:42,660
 that a comet was going to hit the Earth

1630
01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:44,020
 and you had 48 hours to live,

1631
01:00:44,020 --> 01:00:45,300
 you'd be thinking, like,

1632
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:47,460
 "Why did I waste my time on this work

1633
01:00:47,460 --> 01:00:49,060
 or these meaningless things?

1634
01:00:49,060 --> 01:00:51,380
 I should have learned to do that or this,

1635
01:00:51,380 --> 01:00:53,060
 or, you know, what have I done with my life?"

1636
01:00:53,060 --> 01:00:54,660
 -Seeker, your friend, from the end of the world.

1637
01:00:54,660 --> 01:00:56,180
 -Yeah, similar to that.

1638
01:00:56,180 --> 01:00:58,820
 But, uh, I thought it was really interesting

1639
01:00:58,820 --> 01:01:02,020
 what Falcon said he thought might be the species

1640
01:01:02,020 --> 01:01:03,460
 to take over after humans.

1641
01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:04,580
 Did you guys catch that?

1642
01:01:04,580 --> 01:01:06,100
 Because you think--

1643
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:08,020
 People always talk about, like, cockroaches and stuff.

1644
01:01:08,020 --> 01:01:08,980
 He said the bees.

1645
01:01:08,980 --> 01:01:11,140
 -Yeah. -He said the bees, yeah.

1646
01:01:11,140 --> 01:01:13,300
 -And I was like, "We've already almost killed them."

1647
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:14,660
 So, this is how we--

1648
01:01:14,660 --> 01:01:16,340
 -Yeah, fuck the bees.

1649
01:01:16,340 --> 01:01:17,300
 That's where we're going after you.

1650
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:18,100
 We know you're--

1651
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:18,900
 -No, no, no, no, no, no.

1652
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:19,620
 -You know, that's under radar.

1653
01:01:19,620 --> 01:01:20,340
 We're after you.

1654
01:01:20,340 --> 01:01:22,340
 [LAUGHTER]

1655
01:01:22,340 --> 01:01:24,580
 -And I forgot to welcome our bee overlords.

1656
01:01:24,580 --> 01:01:28,260
 [LAUGHTER]

1657
01:01:28,260 --> 01:01:29,860
 -It's ant overlords.

1658
01:01:29,860 --> 01:01:31,940
 [LAUGHTER]

1659
01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:32,900
 Oh, dear.

1660
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:34,660
 So, yeah, that scene--

1661
01:01:34,660 --> 01:01:37,220
 that whole thing with the dinosaur movie

1662
01:01:37,220 --> 01:01:38,420
 and him being like,

1663
01:01:38,420 --> 01:01:40,020
 "You know, maybe it will last long enough for you

1664
01:01:40,020 --> 01:01:41,780
 to have a kid and watch the kid die."

1665
01:01:41,780 --> 01:01:44,020
 And then she's like, "I'm only 17.

1666
01:01:44,020 --> 01:01:45,540
 I'm not ready to die."

1667
01:01:45,540 --> 01:01:46,100
 -Yeah.

1668
01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:46,580
 -And--

1669
01:01:46,580 --> 01:01:47,940
 -Yeah, that is so bad.

1670
01:01:47,940 --> 01:01:48,740
 Like, it's so--

1671
01:01:48,740 --> 01:01:50,500
 -Yeah, Matthew Broderick's whole thing,

1672
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:53,300
 where it's like, "No, what does he call her?"

1673
01:01:53,300 --> 01:01:54,260
 He says, "No, something.

1674
01:01:54,260 --> 01:01:55,940
 I'd never learned how to swim."

1675
01:01:55,940 --> 01:01:56,580
 Ah, shit.

1676
01:01:56,580 --> 01:01:57,940
 He called Ellie Sheen's character.

1677
01:01:57,940 --> 01:01:58,500
 -That's a woman.

1678
01:01:58,500 --> 01:01:59,380
 -That's right.

1679
01:01:59,380 --> 01:02:00,100
 No wonder woman.

1680
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:01,220
 I'd never learned how to swim.

1681
01:02:01,220 --> 01:02:02,580
 So, yeah.

1682
01:02:02,580 --> 01:02:04,660
 There's a lot of poignant scenes that I--

1683
01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:06,020
 -They would have froze to death.

1684
01:02:06,020 --> 01:02:07,700
 -Yeah.

1685
01:02:07,700 --> 01:02:08,580
 -They're--

1686
01:02:08,580 --> 01:02:09,620
 -We could see their breath.

1687
01:02:09,620 --> 01:02:10,740
 There's no way they would have made--

1688
01:02:10,740 --> 01:02:12,740
 I looked it up.

1689
01:02:12,740 --> 01:02:15,060
 It's like a mile swim that would have had to do.

1690
01:02:15,060 --> 01:02:16,660
 -Well, she thought it was three miles,

1691
01:02:16,660 --> 01:02:17,620
 and she was like, "Yeah, it's fine.

1692
01:02:17,620 --> 01:02:18,180
 No big deal."

1693
01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:19,300
 And I'm like, "Holy shit."

1694
01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:21,700
 And I walk in three miles of much less swimming.

1695
01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:22,180
 They would have--

1696
01:02:22,180 --> 01:02:23,300
 -They talk about how, like, how--

1697
01:02:23,300 --> 01:02:24,660
 -Yeah, they would be--

1698
01:02:24,660 --> 01:02:25,940
 -Like, he was so calculated.

1699
01:02:25,940 --> 01:02:30,340
 He's like, "I'm within 20 miles of a major strike

1700
01:02:30,340 --> 01:02:31,780
 or whatever, or first strike."

1701
01:02:31,780 --> 01:02:32,420
 -Yeah, yeah.

1702
01:02:32,420 --> 01:02:33,220
 -So, yeah.

1703
01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:35,140
 -We'll be vague strikes immediately, or whatever.

1704
01:02:35,140 --> 01:02:36,740
 -We're running around blind.

1705
01:02:36,740 --> 01:02:37,700
 -Yeah, yeah.

1706
01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:39,140
 -We flashed and then nothing.

1707
01:02:39,140 --> 01:02:40,100
 No pain.

1708
01:02:40,100 --> 01:02:40,980
 It'll all be over.

1709
01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:42,500
 Unlike the horrible people that--

1710
01:02:42,500 --> 01:02:43,140
 Was it--

1711
01:02:43,140 --> 01:02:46,180
 Will be spared the something of survival?

1712
01:02:46,180 --> 01:02:46,820
 What does he say?

1713
01:02:46,820 --> 01:02:47,220
 Will we--

1714
01:02:47,220 --> 01:02:48,580
 The horror of survival?

1715
01:02:48,580 --> 01:02:49,060
 -Yeah.

1716
01:02:49,060 --> 01:02:50,020
 -What's that idea?

1717
01:02:50,020 --> 01:02:53,380
 That surviving is the worst thing that could happen to you.

1718
01:02:53,380 --> 01:02:53,780
 It's just--

1719
01:02:53,780 --> 01:02:57,540
 It brought back a lot of just ABGBs for me.

1720
01:02:57,540 --> 01:02:58,580
 -Yeah, sure.

1721
01:02:58,580 --> 01:02:59,860
 -I was just--

1722
01:02:59,860 --> 01:03:02,580
 -You know, like, our kids haven't had to grow up with that.

1723
01:03:02,580 --> 01:03:06,020
 I mean, they've got other shit.

1724
01:03:06,020 --> 01:03:08,100
 But, you know, Brock and I were talking about how--

1725
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:15,780
 If the kids watched this, or like, Red Dawn, or something like that,

1726
01:03:15,780 --> 01:03:19,220
 where it's just like that Soviet influence,

1727
01:03:19,220 --> 01:03:21,220
 and just that fear that everybody kind of had,

1728
01:03:21,220 --> 01:03:24,660
 they would kind of be like, "Oh, well, that's too bad."

1729
01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:26,180
 -They were there.

1730
01:03:26,180 --> 01:03:27,860
 -They wouldn't have that, that--

1731
01:03:27,860 --> 01:03:29,940
 Like, we just said before,

1732
01:03:29,940 --> 01:03:31,460
 like that nebulous boogie man thing.

1733
01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:33,060
 -I can't believe it.

1734
01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:33,380
 -Yeah.

1735
01:03:33,380 --> 01:03:35,620
 For us, it was a real thing.

1736
01:03:35,620 --> 01:03:36,820
 It was real scary.

1737
01:03:36,820 --> 01:03:39,700
 -I feel like they had realer things.

1738
01:03:39,700 --> 01:03:40,900
 Ours was all trumped up.

1739
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:42,580
 -I agree.

1740
01:03:42,580 --> 01:03:44,740
 The Soviets were not the threat that--

1741
01:03:44,740 --> 01:03:45,460
 -Yeah.

1742
01:03:45,460 --> 01:03:45,860
 -They were--

1743
01:03:45,860 --> 01:03:46,900
 -It was written at the time.

1744
01:03:46,900 --> 01:03:47,860
 -But they were--

1745
01:03:47,860 --> 01:03:49,380
 -But they were just boogieing like that.

1746
01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:49,940
 -Yeah.

1747
01:03:49,940 --> 01:03:51,380
 -Yeah, we were all under--

1748
01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:51,940
 -Yeah.

1749
01:03:51,940 --> 01:03:52,420
 -Yeah.

1750
01:03:52,420 --> 01:03:54,740
 -After the Soviet Soviet Soviet Union collapsed,

1751
01:03:54,740 --> 01:03:56,980
 and you realized that, like, half their shit didn't work,

1752
01:03:56,980 --> 01:03:58,340
 and they were pretty much busted,

1753
01:03:58,340 --> 01:04:01,860
 and I mean, they couldn't have mounted a lot of the offensive.

1754
01:04:01,860 --> 01:04:02,820
 -I don't know.

1755
01:04:02,820 --> 01:04:03,460
 -I don't necessarily--

1756
01:04:03,460 --> 01:04:04,500
 I think they could have.

1757
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:06,900
 They still could have, but they weren't going to.

1758
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:08,100
 -Yeah.

1759
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:10,020
 -So they thought we were just as crazy as--

1760
01:04:10,020 --> 01:04:12,420
 like, they thought we were crazy Americans that weren't going to.

1761
01:04:12,420 --> 01:04:14,340
 So it was like, they're not doing it either.

1762
01:04:14,340 --> 01:04:16,340
 So it was this--

1763
01:04:16,340 --> 01:04:17,060
 -Yeah.

1764
01:04:17,060 --> 01:04:17,380
 -Yeah.

1765
01:04:17,380 --> 01:04:19,460
 -It was not something that we were taught.

1766
01:04:19,460 --> 01:04:20,660
 They were just the bad guys.

1767
01:04:20,660 --> 01:04:21,140
 -Yeah.

1768
01:04:21,140 --> 01:04:23,460
 -They thought we were the bad guys.

1769
01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:26,100
 I mean, we're the ones who moved nukes into Europe,

1770
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:28,500
 and we're like, well, if you come into Europe,

1771
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:31,220
 we're just going to nuke everything to protect everybody.

1772
01:04:31,220 --> 01:04:34,500
 Like, in the same plan.

1773
01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:35,700
 -Nukes and turkey.

1774
01:04:35,700 --> 01:04:37,780
 And then got mad when they tried to put them in Cuba.

1775
01:04:37,780 --> 01:04:40,260
 And I'm like, holy shit, we just did that to them,

1776
01:04:40,260 --> 01:04:41,540
 and now we're getting mad.

1777
01:04:41,540 --> 01:04:42,420
 -Same plan.

1778
01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:44,740
 Like, okay, if you cross this line,

1779
01:04:44,740 --> 01:04:48,900
 it's this line on a map that doesn't really exist in real life.

1780
01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:51,300
 We're just going to drop nukes down to stop everything.

1781
01:04:51,300 --> 01:04:52,980
 Like, that was the plan.

1782
01:04:52,980 --> 01:04:54,660
 -Yeah.

1783
01:04:54,660 --> 01:04:56,100
 I mean, I don't want to get too deep.

1784
01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:58,340
 No, but I'll tell you after I end this,

1785
01:04:58,340 --> 01:05:02,260
 I was like, holy shit, artificial intelligence is scary.

1786
01:05:02,260 --> 01:05:05,780
 Like, this is 82, right?

1787
01:05:05,780 --> 01:05:07,460
 This movie came out?

1788
01:05:07,460 --> 01:05:09,140
 -Yeah, they found it in the truth.

1789
01:05:09,140 --> 01:05:09,700
 They came out.

1790
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:13,060
 -But 82 is this idea of this.

1791
01:05:13,060 --> 01:05:17,860
 We're dealing with this now with smart cars.

1792
01:05:17,860 --> 01:05:21,300
 And like, in a much smaller scale, but I don't know.

1793
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:24,580
 At work, we did this thing where we did these things,

1794
01:05:26,020 --> 01:05:29,780
 which is conference calls where someone does like a 10 or 15

1795
01:05:29,780 --> 01:05:32,420
 year trend on some super technology.

1796
01:05:32,420 --> 01:05:34,020
 And we did want an AI.

1797
01:05:34,020 --> 01:05:35,540
 And I was like, oh, this is going to be kind of cool.

1798
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:36,740
 We'll see what we're going to be able to do.

1799
01:05:36,740 --> 01:05:39,060
 And I came away from that hour long conference call,

1800
01:05:39,060 --> 01:05:41,380
 terrified, more of computers.

1801
01:05:41,380 --> 01:05:43,860
 I think probably I felt about the same after watching.

1802
01:05:43,860 --> 01:05:46,100
 This is a kid about how bad computers can get.

1803
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:46,580
 -Yeah.

1804
01:05:46,580 --> 01:05:50,180
 -And I've had that same, like, it brought those, like this.

1805
01:05:50,180 --> 01:05:50,980
 -Yeah.

1806
01:05:50,980 --> 01:05:53,460
 -Because, you know, with the AI stuff,

1807
01:05:53,460 --> 01:05:56,500
 if you're talking about like, you have smart driving cars,

1808
01:05:56,500 --> 01:05:58,100
 they have to be programmed.

1809
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:01,940
 Do they run over the one person to save the person in the car?

1810
01:06:01,940 --> 01:06:03,620
 Or do they stop and kill the person?

1811
01:06:03,620 --> 01:06:06,260
 Like, like all these decisions have to be made.

1812
01:06:06,260 --> 01:06:08,820
 And like, oh, it just gets into this.

1813
01:06:08,820 --> 01:06:11,940
 Like, I don't, you know, I know it's all for it to make it easier.

1814
01:06:11,940 --> 01:06:15,460
 And a lot of it does, sure it does, and it makes a lot of job.

1815
01:06:15,460 --> 01:06:17,620
 But I don't really need them thinking for me.

1816
01:06:17,620 --> 01:06:19,220
 Like, I still think I need to have.

1817
01:06:19,220 --> 01:06:21,220
 -And it was interesting because I don't think they ever

1818
01:06:21,220 --> 01:06:23,380
 actually use the term artificial intelligence.

1819
01:06:23,380 --> 01:06:25,620
 I mean, it's obvious that's what this was talking about.

1820
01:06:25,620 --> 01:06:26,740
 -No, they did.

1821
01:06:26,740 --> 01:06:27,940
 They said learning.

1822
01:06:27,940 --> 01:06:30,340
 They said, it would learn to do stuff.

1823
01:06:30,340 --> 01:06:31,300
 -The machine learning.

1824
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:32,340
 -The machine, yeah.

1825
01:06:32,340 --> 01:06:33,780
 But that's what that is.

1826
01:06:33,780 --> 01:06:35,060
 -Oh, yeah, yeah.

1827
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:37,540
 It just wasn't, I don't even know when the term

1828
01:06:37,540 --> 01:06:40,980
 artificial intelligence, as it goes to computers,

1829
01:06:40,980 --> 01:06:43,380
 became common use, into common use.

1830
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:44,420
 I don't even know that.

1831
01:06:44,420 --> 01:06:48,100
 -I know Hyron used it in one of his books in the,

1832
01:06:48,100 --> 01:06:49,860
 God, '70s, maybe?

1833
01:06:49,860 --> 01:06:51,780
 -Oh, it's been a while then, okay.

1834
01:06:51,780 --> 01:06:55,380
 But it's not the kind of term that was just thrown out.

1835
01:06:55,380 --> 01:06:58,740
 It's the whole thing, like, we talked about serial killers now.

1836
01:06:58,740 --> 01:07:02,980
 But back when, you know, they were figuring out

1837
01:07:02,980 --> 01:07:04,500
 that those were actually a thing.

1838
01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:06,660
 They didn't call them serial killers.

1839
01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:08,900
 They were frequent killers.

1840
01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:10,100
 -Yeah.

1841
01:07:10,100 --> 01:07:13,380
 So anyway, so that's okay.

1842
01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:14,340
 And--

1843
01:07:14,340 --> 01:07:16,180
 -You went over my Brad fact?

1844
01:07:16,180 --> 01:07:17,540
 -Oh, yeah, sure, shoot.

1845
01:07:17,540 --> 01:07:19,860
 -All right, so when we talked about the line,

1846
01:07:19,860 --> 01:07:23,300
 where I'd post on a spark plug, if I thought it would do it again,

1847
01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:26,020
 and how much that was really awesome,

1848
01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:31,460
 and that Barry Corbin got to add more of most of his lines.

1849
01:07:31,460 --> 01:07:36,980
 He came up with that line because his cousin actually did that.

1850
01:07:36,980 --> 01:07:37,940
 -Just on a spark plug?

1851
01:07:37,940 --> 01:07:39,620
 -Uh-huh, and had a bad experience.

1852
01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:40,820
 -I was gonna say, "What happened?"

1853
01:07:40,820 --> 01:07:42,020
 [ Laughter ]

1854
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:44,340
 -So, that's my, my, my Brad fact.

1855
01:07:44,340 --> 01:07:47,540
 There was no child sacrifice, so I couldn't really go with that.

1856
01:07:47,540 --> 01:07:50,660
 [ Laughter ]

1857
01:07:50,660 --> 01:07:53,700
 -We had one that would've been several million kids sacrifice.

1858
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:54,660
 It didn't happen.

1859
01:07:54,660 --> 01:07:56,100
 -There was no quick saying, no.

1860
01:07:56,100 --> 01:08:00,100
 But, you know, we might have to add old '80s computers to the mix.

1861
01:08:00,100 --> 01:08:00,900
 [ Laughter ]

1862
01:08:00,900 --> 01:08:02,100
 -That's part of one of our--

1863
01:08:02,100 --> 01:08:03,460
 -Because I did geek out.

1864
01:08:03,460 --> 01:08:05,620
 I mean, seriously, I stopped watching the movie,

1865
01:08:05,620 --> 01:08:08,420
 and I was like, "I gotta look this up and see if that was a real computer."

1866
01:08:08,420 --> 01:08:09,940
 And I geeked out about it.

1867
01:08:09,940 --> 01:08:13,940
 It's like, "Holy shit, five megabits of storage."

1868
01:08:13,940 --> 01:08:16,100
 I was like, "That's insane."

1869
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:17,860
 -Yeah.

1870
01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:20,020
 -So, we would look like kind of with a bingo card.

1871
01:08:20,020 --> 01:08:22,260
 -Yeah, it was just--

1872
01:08:22,260 --> 01:08:23,940
 Maybe we'll have to do that.

1873
01:08:23,940 --> 01:08:26,820
 I want to see if we had bingo on some of these movies,

1874
01:08:26,820 --> 01:08:31,700
 but some of the notes that I took about some of this stuff is about.

1875
01:08:31,700 --> 01:08:34,100
 Like, my-- I remember looking at the whopper and thinking,

1876
01:08:34,100 --> 01:08:37,700
 like, "That thing probably is no more powerful than our cell phones today."

1877
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:39,540
 You know, just in, like, what it could do.

1878
01:08:39,540 --> 01:08:42,260
 -Our cell phones were more--

1879
01:08:42,260 --> 01:08:44,260
 Our cell phones were more cooperative than the computers

1880
01:08:44,260 --> 01:08:47,060
 that they used to win out of a day of mood.

1881
01:08:47,060 --> 01:08:50,100
 -Yeah, that was 15 years before that, even, so--

1882
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:56,660
 -But TI-81 or '85 calculator used in high school

1883
01:08:56,660 --> 01:08:59,940
 is more complicated than what was used later.

1884
01:08:59,940 --> 01:09:00,980
 -Yeah.

1885
01:09:00,980 --> 01:09:06,260
 And I thought it was really interesting that David's bedroom door had a lock on it.

1886
01:09:06,260 --> 01:09:07,060
 Did you guys notice that?

1887
01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:08,260
 -Yeah, I did.

1888
01:09:08,260 --> 01:09:09,460
 -Yeah, Ed Bull.

1889
01:09:09,460 --> 01:09:12,180
 I mean, that never would have gone over in my house.

1890
01:09:12,180 --> 01:09:15,620
 -That would go over in my house, that's for sure.

1891
01:09:15,620 --> 01:09:17,460
 -And that's kind of-- it goes like the whole thing.

1892
01:09:17,460 --> 01:09:19,220
 Like, his parents just kind of let him go,

1893
01:09:19,220 --> 01:09:22,660
 which maybe explained why he got into some of the shit he got into.

1894
01:09:22,660 --> 01:09:26,740
 -I know, but also, like, his parents just--

1895
01:09:26,740 --> 01:09:30,740
 I just find it weird they put all this effort to make them characters,

1896
01:09:30,740 --> 01:09:34,180
 and then they were just gone for the rest of the movie.

1897
01:09:34,180 --> 01:09:35,140
 -Yeah.

1898
01:09:35,140 --> 01:09:36,020
 -Oh, we didn't talk about--

1899
01:09:36,020 --> 01:09:38,980
 -I didn't say hell of a Jeep crash that they're in trying to get into.

1900
01:09:38,980 --> 01:09:42,100
 -That actually happened, but that was supposed to happen.

1901
01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:42,820
 Yeah.

1902
01:09:42,820 --> 01:09:44,900
 -Oh, I was wondering why they filmed it that way.

1903
01:09:44,900 --> 01:09:47,620
 It's like, why would you film, like, that was just-- it just happened?

1904
01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:50,900
 -Yeah, they were supposed to do a stunt where they drove through the gate

1905
01:09:50,900 --> 01:09:54,500
 and the gate gave way, but certainly went wrong,

1906
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:59,220
 and the whole thing flipped, and they used that shot for the movie.

1907
01:09:59,220 --> 01:09:59,780
 -They weren't in it, right?

1908
01:09:59,780 --> 01:10:00,420
 Like--

1909
01:10:00,420 --> 01:10:01,860
 -They were stunt doubles.

1910
01:10:01,860 --> 01:10:02,660
 -Yeah, okay.

1911
01:10:02,660 --> 01:10:03,300
 -Yeah.

1912
01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:07,300
 But they-- so they had a-- they did that, and then they filmed a scene of them running

1913
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:10,740
 onto the tunnel to move that Jeep shot.

1914
01:10:10,740 --> 01:10:15,140
 -Yeah, I always thought that was interesting how the Jeep kind of went sideways and crashed.

1915
01:10:15,140 --> 01:10:15,220
 -Yeah.

1916
01:10:15,220 --> 01:10:15,940
 -Yeah, that was--

1917
01:10:15,940 --> 01:10:16,420
 -Yeah.

1918
01:10:16,420 --> 01:10:20,420
 -But then I thought it was really interesting when Ali Shidi's character

1919
01:10:20,420 --> 01:10:23,380
 sees him dialing all the phone numbers in California,

1920
01:10:23,380 --> 01:10:25,460
 and she's like, "Isn't that going to be expensive?"

1921
01:10:25,460 --> 01:10:26,180
 And I thought about it.

1922
01:10:26,180 --> 01:10:28,180
 I was like, "Oh, shit, long distance charges."

1923
01:10:28,180 --> 01:10:29,060
 -[ Laughs ]

1924
01:10:29,060 --> 01:10:30,100
 -Oh, yeah.

1925
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:30,580
 -Oh, yeah.

1926
01:10:30,580 --> 01:10:32,740
 -I know you had to go way around that.

1927
01:10:32,740 --> 01:10:33,620
 -Yeah, exactly.

1928
01:10:33,620 --> 01:10:37,140
 I mean, the kids are kind of a low-end criminal in some ways.

1929
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:39,220
 I mean, he gets away with a lot of shit.

1930
01:10:39,220 --> 01:10:45,140
 -Well, now, there's a-- uh, Kimmer, there is a famous hacker from that area, I think.

1931
01:10:45,140 --> 01:10:47,860
 And it was been around that time.

1932
01:10:47,860 --> 01:10:49,780
 Like, I'm sure he was-- he was, like, a folk here.

1933
01:10:49,780 --> 01:10:51,540
 I read some -- but yeah, he figured it out.

1934
01:10:51,540 --> 01:10:54,500
 -They consulted with him on this movie.

1935
01:10:54,500 --> 01:10:54,980
 -Okay.

1936
01:10:54,980 --> 01:11:00,100
 I was like, yeah, they-- and he figured out how to-- he had a whistle he built.

1937
01:11:00,100 --> 01:11:00,420
 -Yep.

1938
01:11:00,420 --> 01:11:04,020
 -Right, we've got that whistle out of our similar box, and figured it out.

1939
01:11:04,020 --> 01:11:05,860
 -We got your grunts at the door to us, yeah.

1940
01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:07,220
 -That was his nickname.

1941
01:11:07,220 --> 01:11:08,260
 -Yeah.

1942
01:11:08,260 --> 01:11:11,700
 -You got to have a Captain-- and it would simulate any good-- yeah, it was--

1943
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:17,220
 -And, uh, I thought it was very interesting that there's one part where

1944
01:11:17,220 --> 01:11:20,020
 Ali Shidi's character is exercising, and she's wearing leg warmers.

1945
01:11:20,020 --> 01:11:22,100
 Again, this is like a celebration of the '80s.

1946
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:22,660
 -Right.

1947
01:11:22,660 --> 01:11:25,700
 -But the best thing that I took a note on that I don't know if--

1948
01:11:25,700 --> 01:11:28,180
 I don't know if-- I think Amanda picked up on it because I mentioned it.

1949
01:11:28,180 --> 01:11:30,660
 I don't know if you picked up on it, Brad, but when he comes--

1950
01:11:30,660 --> 01:11:33,700
 when David comes home and you hear the news report in the background

1951
01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:35,620
 right before they talk about the, you know, the nuclear--

1952
01:11:35,620 --> 01:11:36,980
 -The Pro Galactic Company.

1953
01:11:36,980 --> 01:11:38,980
 -The Pro Galactic Company winner.

1954
01:11:38,980 --> 01:11:41,620
 -The Pro Galactic Company winner.

1955
01:11:41,620 --> 01:11:42,820
 Wait a minute.

1956
01:11:42,820 --> 01:11:43,860
 Wait, wait, back that up.

1957
01:11:43,860 --> 01:11:44,580
 And I was like, yeah.

1958
01:11:44,580 --> 01:11:45,780
 -I had to back it up, too.

1959
01:11:45,780 --> 01:11:48,660
 I was like, did they just say "Fire Pro Galactic Company"?

1960
01:11:48,660 --> 01:11:49,220
 -Yeah.

1961
01:11:49,220 --> 01:11:49,860
 -Yeah.

1962
01:11:49,860 --> 01:11:52,020
 -I had to write the recycling center.

1963
01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:54,660
 -The police had recycled condos.

1964
01:11:54,660 --> 01:11:59,060
 -That had to be an in-joke sometime.

1965
01:11:59,060 --> 01:11:59,940
 -They had-- yeah, they just--

1966
01:11:59,940 --> 01:12:00,740
 -That was great.

1967
01:12:00,740 --> 01:12:01,540
 -That's why--

1968
01:12:01,540 --> 01:12:05,540
 -Once I heard the mom telling the Jacuzzi masturbation joke,

1969
01:12:05,540 --> 01:12:06,820
 I was like, I'm going to list that.

1970
01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:11,140
 Because I watched it downstairs, but I had my AirPods on,

1971
01:12:11,140 --> 01:12:12,900
 so I was just listening to it with headphones,

1972
01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:16,260
 and it was just insane.

1973
01:12:16,260 --> 01:12:18,100
 -Yeah, but that was great.

1974
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:19,540
 I used to sell that in such titles.

1975
01:12:19,540 --> 01:12:22,420
 I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe they just said that.

1976
01:12:22,420 --> 01:12:25,220
 And at first, I was like, they just put that in for fun.

1977
01:12:25,220 --> 01:12:28,180
 Like, why is the news on to where you can actually hear that?

1978
01:12:28,180 --> 01:12:30,180
 But then they go into the news report about the,

1979
01:12:30,180 --> 01:12:31,780
 you know, the fake nuclear attack.

1980
01:12:31,780 --> 01:12:33,940
 I was like, OK, but it's still really funny.

1981
01:12:33,940 --> 01:12:35,620
 -That was-- yeah.

1982
01:12:35,620 --> 01:12:38,500
 -So, yeah.

1983
01:12:38,500 --> 01:12:40,740
 So I guess going around the horn here,

1984
01:12:40,740 --> 01:12:42,020
 I thought the movie was great.

1985
01:12:42,020 --> 01:12:45,300
 I highly recommend anybody who watched it as a kid.

1986
01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:46,500
 Go back and watch it again.

1987
01:12:46,500 --> 01:12:47,460
 It's-- it holds up.

1988
01:12:47,460 --> 01:12:48,580
 It's really good.

1989
01:12:48,580 --> 01:12:50,420
 It's freaky and scary.

1990
01:12:50,420 --> 01:12:53,940
 And it's just-- it's still a very entertaining movie.

1991
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:54,900
 And it was two hours long.

1992
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:55,940
 It didn't feel like two hours.

1993
01:12:55,940 --> 01:12:57,300
 -Yeah, I agree.

1994
01:12:57,300 --> 01:13:00,340
 It totally holds up.

1995
01:13:00,340 --> 01:13:02,820
 It frightened me just as much as it did when I was a kid,

1996
01:13:02,820 --> 01:13:04,980
 maybe more so.

1997
01:13:04,980 --> 01:13:06,580
 And everything's good.

1998
01:13:06,580 --> 01:13:08,940
 Like, the quality of the sound, the cinematographer.

1999
01:13:08,940 --> 01:13:10,300
 Like, everything's good about it.

2000
01:13:10,300 --> 01:13:12,420
 There's nothing that you're looking at like, well,

2001
01:13:12,420 --> 01:13:13,700
 God, this is an old movie.

2002
01:13:13,700 --> 01:13:14,940
 I mean, the old thing is, you know,

2003
01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:17,620
 the clothing and the 80s kind of computers and stuff,

2004
01:13:17,620 --> 01:13:18,620
 but it doesn't--

2005
01:13:18,620 --> 01:13:19,700
 -That's the way it works.

2006
01:13:19,700 --> 01:13:22,500
 -It doesn't feel irrelevant.

2007
01:13:22,500 --> 01:13:22,980
 -Yeah.

2008
01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:24,820
 -So, yeah, it totally holds up.

2009
01:13:24,820 --> 01:13:28,620
 Watch it.

2010
01:13:28,620 --> 01:13:31,900
 -Well, I hate to be the contributor in here, so--

2011
01:13:31,900 --> 01:13:32,700
 -Okay, go ahead.

2012
01:13:32,700 --> 01:13:33,500
 -I won't be.

2013
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:34,340
 -I know.

2014
01:13:34,340 --> 01:13:35,420
 -I love it.

2015
01:13:35,420 --> 01:13:36,300
 I loved it.

2016
01:13:36,300 --> 01:13:38,620
 You know, I watched just a few years back.

2017
01:13:38,620 --> 01:13:41,740
 I'd shown my kids it.

2018
01:13:41,740 --> 01:13:43,540
 And we thought it was good then.

2019
01:13:43,540 --> 01:13:44,620
 And it's still good.

2020
01:13:44,620 --> 01:13:48,140
 It's still, as you guys said, it's still--

2021
01:13:48,140 --> 01:13:50,900
 I mean, for anybody who watched it back as a kid,

2022
01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:52,700
 who's listening to his podcast and has rewatched it,

2023
01:13:52,700 --> 01:13:56,740
 it still has that scare factor of that.

2024
01:13:56,740 --> 01:14:00,340
 It's not scary, like Halloween scare, like, you know--

2025
01:14:00,340 --> 01:14:01,540
 -Yeah, but I'm scared.

2026
01:14:01,540 --> 01:14:04,380
 -Yeah, the touch-ups, but it's got that, like,

2027
01:14:04,380 --> 01:14:05,980
 deep dread kind of scare.

2028
01:14:05,980 --> 01:14:06,980
 -Yeah.

2029
01:14:06,980 --> 01:14:11,100
 -And it's-- but the theme of it, yeah, the music's great.

2030
01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:12,060
 The acting's great.

2031
01:14:12,060 --> 01:14:12,980
 Everyone's good.

2032
01:14:12,980 --> 01:14:14,180
 Like, it flows.

2033
01:14:14,180 --> 01:14:16,180
 It doesn't feel like it's two hours.

2034
01:14:16,180 --> 01:14:17,340
 It keeps going.

2035
01:14:17,340 --> 01:14:19,700
 I mean, there's a little bit of a drag at one little point,

2036
01:14:19,700 --> 01:14:24,700
 but it just keeps-- you know, it's really--

2037
01:14:24,700 --> 01:14:25,460
 it is really good.

2038
01:14:25,460 --> 01:14:27,420
 I really enjoyed watching it again.

2039
01:14:27,420 --> 01:14:32,620
 And it just-- but the overall theme is still relevant today.

2040
01:14:32,620 --> 01:14:34,340
 -Yeah, that's right. -Yeah, true.

2041
01:14:34,340 --> 01:14:40,180
 -Which is crazy for a movie that is 38 years old,

2042
01:14:40,180 --> 01:14:44,620
 that it can still-- and from a-- it's a technology theme.

2043
01:14:44,620 --> 01:14:47,060
 And it still holds true.

2044
01:14:47,060 --> 01:14:49,860
 -So-- -And probably isn't going anywhere any time soon,

2045
01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:50,380
 either.

2046
01:14:50,380 --> 01:14:51,380
 -It's not, no.

2047
01:14:51,380 --> 01:14:53,140
 -If the years come out, it'll be relevant.

2048
01:14:53,140 --> 01:14:53,860
 -Yeah.

2049
01:14:53,860 --> 01:14:56,740
 -So, thumbs up.

2050
01:14:56,740 --> 01:14:58,180
 -Yeah, so go watch it.

2051
01:14:58,180 --> 01:15:00,740
 I definitely recommend it.

2052
01:15:00,740 --> 01:15:03,020
 All right, so there you go.

2053
01:15:03,020 --> 01:15:06,620
 -Thank you, everybody, for this name.

2054
01:15:06,620 --> 01:15:10,300
 And Brad's going to give you all the--

2055
01:15:10,300 --> 01:15:11,300
 -Oh, geez.

2056
01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:12,820
 [LAUGHTER]

2057
01:15:12,820 --> 01:15:17,900
 -We're on Facebook at just Google.

2058
01:15:17,900 --> 01:15:19,540
 -Just before us, we're there.

2059
01:15:19,540 --> 01:15:21,220
 -Yeah, let's go to Twitter.

2060
01:15:21,220 --> 01:15:25,060
 Twitter is @doeshold.

2061
01:15:25,060 --> 01:15:26,180
 I don't remember anything else.

2062
01:15:26,180 --> 01:15:27,540
 Oh, we don't have any else.

2063
01:15:27,540 --> 01:15:28,140
 Yeah.

2064
01:15:28,140 --> 01:15:32,100
 -We're going to Patreon to get Brock Moneyback by Nightcourt

2065
01:15:32,100 --> 01:15:36,420
 and for Brad to get Moneyback for Roadhouse.

2066
01:15:36,420 --> 01:15:37,940
 Is that right?

2067
01:15:37,940 --> 01:15:40,940
 -Yeah, I get Money first for Roadhouse now.

2068
01:15:40,940 --> 01:15:42,980
 [LAUGHTER]

2069
01:15:42,980 --> 01:15:44,180
 -We got lucky.

2070
01:15:44,180 --> 01:15:45,740
 We only rented a Roadhouse.

2071
01:15:45,740 --> 01:15:49,220
 -I had to buy one because I fell away.

2072
01:15:49,220 --> 01:15:50,220
 -So--

2073
01:15:50,220 --> 01:15:51,820
 -Every time I turn on my Apple TV,

2074
01:15:51,820 --> 01:15:54,060
 and it's like movies you have, and Dalton's face

2075
01:15:54,060 --> 01:15:57,260
 is standing there with his arms crossed, all intimidated.

2076
01:15:57,260 --> 01:16:01,740
 And I'm like, hey, hey, Brad, yeah, be nice.

2077
01:16:01,740 --> 01:16:02,700
 I know, Dalton.

2078
01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:03,340
 I know, Dalton.

2079
01:16:03,340 --> 01:16:04,940
 I'm being nice.

2080
01:16:04,940 --> 01:16:06,740
 I'm not saying what I want to say now, Dalton.

2081
01:16:06,740 --> 01:16:07,540
 I'm being nice.

2082
01:16:07,540 --> 01:16:09,540
 [LAUGHTER]

2083
01:16:09,540 --> 01:16:11,380
 -So, thank you, everybody.

2084
01:16:11,380 --> 01:16:12,740
 -Yep, thank you all for listening.

2085
01:16:12,740 --> 01:16:15,140
 And go watch more games.

2086
01:16:15,140 --> 01:16:17,140
 [LAUGHTER]

2087
01:16:17,140 --> 01:16:19,980
 -We'll have a good day in the chess.

2088
01:16:19,980 --> 01:16:23,220
 -How about a nice game of chess?

2089
01:16:23,220 --> 01:16:25,180
 -Just had to step on it, don't you?

2090
01:16:25,180 --> 01:16:26,300
 -Sorry.