(upbeat music)
- All right, hang on, I'm gonna need a beer for this one.
(laughing)
- Oh, there goes the beer.
We're doing this for fun, right, Brad?
- Fun!
- I don't know, but I'm on to number two here,
'cause this is--
- No, boy, all right.
(laughing)
- It's like somebody do something.
- Right.
- Sometimes you gotta get through the shit
to get to the fun, yeah?
- It's not to be sexist.
- Whoops, why does it have the Brad fact, damn it.
(laughing)
- Welcome to "Does It Hold Up?"
The podcast dedicated to potentially ruining your childhood
and all of your fond memories that happened
before mom ran away from dad.
(laughing)
- Continuing on that theme.
(laughing)
- And dad couldn't hold down a job afterwards
'cause of heartache, yeah.
- Yeah, yeah, so I had to adjust the opening
a little bit, given our subject matter today,
so, well, before we get to that, I'm Brock.
- I'm Amanda.
- And I'm Brad.
- And we're continuing on with part three
of Molly Ringwald May, and this one was a tough one.
We decided to watch "Pretty and Pink,"
a movie that Amanda grew up loving,
and Brad and I don't think we ever actually saw
all the way through until just recently.
- I love the music.
I've told you that many times.
- It's okay for you to like this.
- I like, okay, I liked this movie as a kid.
I did like this movie.
I didn't agree with the ending,
but I liked it as a kid.
I loved the music.
- I dare you like this as a kid, Amanda.
This movie was horrible.
(laughing)
- There's absolutely nothing wrong with you liking it.
This is not gonna be bash Amanda.
We're gonna be bashing like John Hughes and stuff,
but not Amanda. - My God.
- But, I mean, out of all of the John Hughes movies,
this was one that I knew about.
I mean, I knew about it for many, many, many years,
and I don't think I ever saw anything other
than a few snippets here and there until just recently.
- Yeah, he only wrote this one, though.
He didn't direct it.
- Correct.
- That's bad enough.
I mean, the writing is what gives it the substance.
I mean, you can tell he wrote it
based on the other things we've talked about
over the last few weeks.
- He wrote this one,
and he wanted the ending to be different.
And then, well, it didn't go that way
like when they kind of tested it with audiences.
- Right, they were, yeah.
- The studio was like, "No, we're gonna do it differently."
Then he went ahead and wrote some kind of "Wonderful,"
which is pretty much a rehashing of this movie.
- They just flipped the sexes, right?
- Oh, geez, it is.
- Yeah.
- Yeah, it's exactly how wonderful it was.
- Well, we watched some kind of "Wonderful" recently,
and I enjoyed that.
- Yeah, I liked that one.
- Yeah.
I don't think I've ever seen that one either.
- Huh.
- I knew you'd think about that.
- I did have a brat bag.
- That is a brat bag, wow.
So, yeah, not the most exciting movie,
not as many funny bits as some of the other ones,
I don't think.
I mean, there's some memorable parts.
- It's odd to me that this is classified as a comedy.
What's funny on it besides John and I?
- No, no, wait, wait, wait.
Wikipedia classified.
- No, IMDB has a Romana comedy.
- Romana comedy?
- Wait, wait, wait.
Yeah, it is a comedy.
Andrew, Andrew Dice Clay is in the "Motherfucking" movie.
So it is funny as all get out.
- That's true.
- 30 seconds to dialogue are amazing.
- He wasn't funny back in the day either.
- No.
- Are you kidding me?
He had the best.
Jesus, no.
Anyway, you don't want to do some Hickory Dickory Doc?
- I don't even remember Andrew Dice Clay's stuff.
I remember watching it and I promptly forgot it.
- There you go.
- The Hickory Dickory Doc,
this bitch was sucking my cock.
The clock struck too.
I dropped my goo and dropped her ass off on the next block.
You don't remember that?
(laughing)
- Jesus Christ.
(laughing)
- Oh my God.
- I don't know if you don't remember that.
- And then it's like, I don't know.
The other one was Jack and Jill went up the hill
each with a bucket of quarter and then he's like,
Jill came down with 250.
Whoa, whatever he used to do, yeah.
- All right, I kind of remember that one.
I do not remember the other one.
- He's not funny.
- God.
- Okay, well.
- That was the highlight of this movie for me, though.
Just see him be like, wait, what?
He's in it?
And he's listed as Andrew Dice Clay.
Dice Man Clay is what he's listed as.
- Was it Dice Man, really?
- In the, in the credit, in the credit.
And they, his character's name in the movie is Dice.
- Yeah, so I know that.
Now that was kind of lame.
- Speaking of which, what the fuck was up
with everyone's name in this movie?
Nobody had a real name.
(laughing)
- Your brother had the same problem.
- Blaine, the guy named Steph with two F's.
- Yeah, I know what the hell was that.
- A woman named Andy Iona.
(indistinct)
- The girlfriend's name, Benny?
- Yeah.
- Benny?
Yeah, what the fuck?
(laughing)
- I think he had a, I don't know,
some kind of like phone book thing
and he was throwing darts at it.
And he was hitting just random names.
Or maybe he had an appliance.
'Cause that was a funny line.
He was like, "Blaine, that's not a name.
"That's an appliance."
I thought that was-
- That was Adlind.
- Was that Adlind?
- Yeah.
- Well, that explains why it was funny.
(laughing)
'Cause it wasn't in the script.
- 'Cause it wasn't Jug, he was writing it.
- There are no good characters in this either.
They're all, they're all-
- They're all just,
I felt some of them were just over the top.
Like who?
- Who liked Iona?
- But I feel like even her to a point it was like,
let's make her really different.
Let's make Ducky really weird.
You know, let's make the dad really lame.
Let's, I don't know.
- Well, Jug, he was wrote this for Molly Ringwald.
Like she liked the song "Pretty in Pink"
and so he wrote a movie about it.
He had it.
I mean, I don't know what his do-
- I'm fucking anxious.
John Hughes had some fucking issues.
- Either that or he had like a really shitty childhood
and he had this idea of what things should have been like
and so he wrote movies about what they should have been like
and that's not what anything was like.
- Yeah.
- I mean, he obviously didn't have a normal high school career.
He obviously, I'd be interested.
Like I said, last time I'd be interested to know
what his relationships with women are-
- How old was John Hughes when he wrote those things?
- He was about 33, I think, by this time.
He was 30.
- Yeah, okay.
So not only, who knows what his high school years were like,
but he's, you know, what?
Damn near 20 years removed from them at that point.
So, God, I don't know.
I don't know what reality he was living in, but-
- Now, I will say the part of the movie I had
a lot of problems with was not only the betrayal
of the high school kids.
Now, this has nothing to do with John Hughes
because he had nothing to do.
This is costume design and all the-
- What the fuck was everyone wearing?
It was like the worst of the 80s turned up to steal it
from spinal tap to 11.
Everything was-
- Oh, God, yeah.
- Nobody knew any of that stuff.
- Yeah, that's what I said about Ducky.
I'm like, nobody dressed like him.
Somebody who didn't grow up in the 80s and watches this movie,
they're gonna think people dressed like that.
Nobody dressed like him.
- Nobody dressed like her either.
- Very creepy. It was not that common.
I mean, because I guess if you look around enough,
you'll find somebody dressed like everything.
- And James Spader looks like he's off the set
of Miami vise for Hackley.
- What is that?
- And I was like, the dude didn't know how to button a shirt.
Every shirt was opened up halfway to his navel.
And I'm like, I don't know.
- And they again can't get a high school party, right?
Like they have the high school party they go to
and it's like some sort of cross between an eyes-wise-
- Orgy.
- Orgy and a regular high school party.
Yeah.
Like he's like a party at the Playboy Mansion
'cause James Spader is wearing like a Hugh Heffner
smoking jacket up there.
- Exactly.
- You know, my favorite part is when Andrew McCarthy's
characters is like, let's go upstairs
and grabs the warm beer on the counter.
- Oh yeah, there's just six pack of beer
and Greg.
- Yeah, it's gonna go party.
Holy fucking shit.
It's gonna be a train.
- Oh, you're getting the movie of hearts.
Let's get to the plot, shall we?
- Does it matter?
Does it really, there's, okay.
- I might as well go through it
'cause it may remind us of other things.
Like I've got to talk about the white people dancing
at the end because that was great.
I don't know if you guys,
but for me, I mean, I heard a lot of people.
- There are certain people dancing at the prom
that it was just painful to watch.
It was just, I was blinded by the white.
- The whole movie's white.
There's not a single point for the color in this movie.
- Oh, there's some people in the prom.
- Was there? - No, there wasn't, was there?
I didn't see a single.
- I thought I saw a couple in the dance crowd,
but I mean, they weren't like pointed out.
- It was just so white.
- I mean, after watching these three movies,
all based in Chicago or the Chicago greater area,
I went to believe that Chicago was nothing
but white people in the '80s.
- There are no black people in Illinois.
- Yeah, apparently.
- Well, there's one, there's long duck dog,
but he's from China.
- Yeah, but he's up from there.
- He came in, he's visiting, yeah.
I was like, what the, I mean, oh, this, oh.
(laughing)
- All right, let's go to the plot.
High school senior, Andy Walsh,
lives with her underemployed working-class father, Jack,
in a Chicago suburb.
Andy's friend, the outsider Phil Ducky Dale,
is in love with her, but is afraid to tell her
how he truly feels.
In school, Ducky and Andy, along with their friends,
are harassed and bullied by the arrogant, richy kids,
specifically Benny Hanson and her boyfriend, Steph McKee,
who finds Andy attractive and secretly resents
having been rejected by her.
- Anybody want to chime in on that?
(laughing)
- You had this look on your face, Amanda, like--
- I mean, they all look, I mean, they are all 20.
Like the only one, Molly Ringwald, I think,
was like 18 when she filmed this.
The rest of them are all--
- She was 17.
- Yeah.
- 17, but they're all like 24/25.
I mean, they're--
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- No, I looked it up, they're all, yeah,
somewhere between eight years older,
seven to eight years older than her.
- Yeah, they do.
- Everyone looks so fucking old, though.
Like that-- - 'Cause I remember,
it's the opposite.
When you go back to high school after being out
for 10 or 15 years and you look at,
hell, even college kids, you're like,
what are the junior high school kids doing at college?
Everybody looks younger than you remember.
Not older.
I mean, they got it wrong in the opposite direction,
and they just really got it wrong.
- The whole thing, like, if you kind of go through
the cast day in a lot of his movies,
John Hughes has like really young Molly Ringwald,
and then everybody else.
It's, I don't know.
- You're--
- Yeah.
- So I do have a Brad fact, I read,
that Anthony Michael Hall was supposed to be,
he was, the part was written for him, the Ducky part.
- Yeah, and he didn't want to do it,
'cause he was Ducky-- - I don't, it wasn't.
I mean, it's-- - So, but it would have been,
if they'd kept the original ending where she goes with Ducky,
and it was Anthony Michael Hall,
I feel like that would have made the movie infinitely better,
'cause they finally, like, you're watching--
- Yeah.
- It's a little bit of an astrology of him getting, like--
- But it's a love triangle over and over again.
- Yeah.
Yeah, I definitely want to talk about the ending,
'cause there were several issues I had with--
- It's like a quad, a square, love square, right?
'Cause there's really four.
There's three guys angling for her.
I mean, yeah.
- Get off of it. - Get off of it.
- And at least stuff counts.
- Well, okay.
- No, he just wants to-- - I'll give you that.
- All right, so while working after school at Trax,
a new wave record store,
Andy talks about her school's senior prom
to her manager, Iona, who advises Andy to go,
despite not having a date.
Blaine McDonough, one of the preppy boys,
and Steph's best friend, starts talking to Andy,
and eventually asks her out.
So, there was something here I was thinking,
oh, the whole thing where it's like,
just go to the prom,
because you're gonna, I didn't go to the prom.
I don't regret not going to the prom.
There's nothing-- - What was the story?
- From my life, so-- - What was the story?
She tells her friend is like,
she'll just forget her car keys and thinks,
and then she arrives because she looks at the prom.
- She feels like something's missing,
and so she checks her purse, she counts her kids,
she looks at her car keys,
and then she realizes nothing's missing.
She decided that that feeling's from missing,
we're from skipping prom.
- And I get it, that's fucking--
- Sort of joke. - But that is like,
high school in general is something
that you can forget once you're out.
Prom is a very small part of high school
that you can not even bother with.
If you don't want to, if you want to go, great.
- I asked a friend of mine,
like I didn't want to go with like a date date,
I asked a friend if he would take me,
and he wasn't in high school at the time.
And he said, now he didn't want to go.
- Younger man? - Elementary school?
- No, I said he didn't-- - You're high?
- I missed that, sorry, I missed that too.
- I was at the high school, and he was like,
"No, 'cause he didn't want to go."
I just thought that was shitty,
but then there weren't a lot of people
going to the prom as groups of friends at that point.
I mean, it was like you either had a date or you didn't.
Now, like, now it's like a group of 10 girls
get together and go to the prom with each other.
- I mean, if I had had a friend who was a girl
or an actual girlfriend in high school who wanted to go,
I probably would have gone for her,
but I wasn't about to just like start randomly asking people,
hoping that one of them would say yes
because I have to experience this prom thing.
And funny, I never, ever have thought,
wow, I wish I'd gone, ever, once.
- I mean, our school's junior-senior prom was together,
so I went junior year, but I didn't go senior year,
and it was all right, it was fun.
And we went with a group of people,
I had dinner, we went to Conkey,
and then which is a local Habachi steak restaurant
around here, kind of like a Benihana, which is like
the national, but...
- So, was that the best part though, the food?
- No, the best part was we came back afterwards
and we jumped on our trampoline, not back.
- Oh, cool, all right, too.
- And we all came back, yeah.
- Yeah, I like that, so that makes sense.
- And one of my friends, or, you know, at the time,
friends, he was kind of, he brought,
he was dating Miss Teen North Carolina at the time,
so she came back and jumping on the trampoline,
which is, it was funny to see all the girls jumping
on the trampoline and the prom dresses.
I think that was pretty, like everyone,
we were in our tuxes, so it was kind of fun.
It just, you know, it's like, it was for kids.
Like we had this like, a quote unquote, like adult thing,
like with dance, of dinner and dance,
and then we came back and we're like, kids again, yeah, so.
- Yeah, that is kind of awesome,
but I say that's a good memory.
- Well good, I'm glad it was a good thing for you to go to.
Yeah, just, yeah, whatever.
So, all right.
- Yeah, but like, you're right, but like, senior year,
I wasn't seeing it, so I was like, I don't care to go,
I've already done it, like I don't need to go
again, it wasn't something like, I was like,
oh, I've got to be there, senior, you know, whatever.
- Is it a bigger deal for girls?
- Probably.
- Okay.
- I mean, like I asked, I asked a friend,
like I didn't want to go and have to worry about like,
honestly, like somebody getting a handsy or anything,
like I just wanted to go and have a good time.
And so, but all of my guys had girlfriends, so.
- Yeah, I know.
- And I think it's a bigger deal back then,
than it is now too, I think.
I don't feel like it's that big of a, maybe I'm wrong.
- Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I know a lot of the younger girls
in our neighborhood here, the dances are a big deal.
But I don't know, well, I mean, I see stuff on Facebook too,
like friends posting pictures of their kids going to prom.
I imagine it's still a big deal to some people,
but it never was a huge deal for me.
I mean, you know.
- Really as social as you are, as much as you loved it.
- I love to dance and I love being social,
but it's just. - And dressing up, you love it.
- He does love to wear a good dress, so, you know.
- Yeah, it just, it just never came together for me.
And now that you guys are sort of thinking about it,
I'm actually, I'm horribly upset
and it went to prom.
- Do we need to pause now?
- Do we need to pause the live facts now, PTA?
Thanks for bringing it back up.
- But you know what, before you turn 50,
Brad and I will throw a prom for you.
- Oh, please do.
- Let's say, do we need to pause the podcast
so you can take a moment to recollect your thoughts?
- I might need to do that.
Please throw me a prom sometime
so that I can not go to that one too.
Brad, who's 50th birthday.
- I did, do you remember,
do you remember, do you remember years ago
when the G105, the radio station here used to,
days to throw the second chance prom?
- Yes.
- Like, I really wanted to go to that
because it was a bunch of adults and I bet that was fun.
- We did it one time.
I did it one time, but it was.
- Really?
- Yeah, 'cause it was over by my work
and one of the women at work,
she was, she had never, like, heard her husband
or maybe they never went to prom
and said she was like, she was gonna do it
and so we went and met them out there and it was all right.
But they, like, they went all in.
They, like, got a hotel room and all that
and I was like, I gotta drive back to Wake Forest.
It's like 45 minutes.
I can't stay here and get the kid face, so.
- Your kids have fun, yeah.
I'm gonna go home.
- No, but don't make it a minute to tux for it again
and, yeah, Steph had a nice rest.
- I'm gonna never see how that would've been fun.
- Well, so, okay, so the conclusion here is,
apparently prom is a big deal to some people,
but moving on, on the night of the day.
- Oh, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
- Yeah.
- Not back to prom, but are we gonna talk about the dad?
The dad is a weird character to me.
I don't understand.
- Well, let me see if we talk,
let me see if Wikipedia talks about the dad at all
and if it doesn't, then I definitely do want to circle back
and talk about the dad, 'cause I thought--
- We also need to talk about the class warfare
that isn't really, it's like they nibble
around the edges of it for a bit,
that she's poor, a quoting book for, I'll say,
and then, although she doesn't really isn't
because they have, I mean, she's got a card, everything,
she's not that, and then they're uber rich or whatever,
but they, and how there's some sort of disdain
towards her because she's poor, like, they don't really,
they end, like that ends up being the whole catalyst
for Weiss, I mean, it's the whole McGuffin, essentially, right?
I mean, it's a movie, but they don't really,
I don't know, they don't really facilitate,
like there's no, they don't show it that much
because--
- The thing that I remember is James Spader's character
being like, you shouldn't go out with this poor girl
because if you do, you're gonna lose your friends, which--
- But he tried to figure out the character,
he has the whole scene where he says,
I've been trying to get with you for four years.
- But I think he just wants, he just wants a piece of ass.
- Wouldn't he have to quote unquote go out
with her for a bit to get that?
Like, I mean, like, is he gonna risk his reputation for,
or is he just jealous that she doesn't like him?
- That's, yeah, they say that at the end.
You just don't like her because she saw
that you're a piece of shit, basically.
She saw through your facade and saw that you're nobody
and he's not used to that as a rich kid, which again,
is that maybe, whatever?
I don't know, maybe that's the way it works.
- There's a little more--
- I don't know, but I'm on to number two here, 'cause this--
- Oh, boy, all right, so I better get through this summary then.
On the night of the date, Andy waits for Blaine at tracks,
but he is late.
Ducky comes in and asks Andy to go out with him,
but she ignores him.
- She doesn't ignore him.
- Feeling like she got stood up, Iona gives Andy a pep talk,
while Ducky, still oblivious, asks what's wrong.
When Blaine arrives, Ducky is upset
and starts an argument with Andy,
with Ducky trying to convince her
that Blaine will only hurt her.
- Ducky's talking about-- - Ducky, wait, wait, wait, wait.
- Andy goes on with their date.
What now?
- He asks her out before they're at tracks, which,
side note, I think it's funny, 'cause the record store
that used to be right by her house growing up
was called Tracks as well.
- I don't remember that.
- Yeah, it was the way they--
right by the Boondinis.
- Oh, okay.
- It was record bar, but then it turned over to tracks.
- Back in the day when you had to go to stores to buy music.
- Yeah, 'cause it was called Tracks 'cause it was cassette tapes then.
And then it was, 'cause before it used to be called record bar,
which is a little outdated since they didn't have records anymore,
they had cassette tapes.
Cassette tapes children are the medium that was used,
the physical medium that was used before CDs, wait,
you don't know what's--
- It's like an MP3 in like a 3D printed form.
- If you could, it's a clear box
with two mini rolls of starch tape in it that held music.
- Right.
- They were great, I love tapes.
Mainly.
- I don't remember when they came out
with the little single tapes,
where like if you didn't wanna buy the whole album,
before CDs.
- Well, they had those in records too.
I mean, that's always been--
- Right, but it was cool when it came out in tape form.
- Okay, I guess.
- Now, I think the best was when they came out
with the technology for the tape players
when you could hit the fast fall,
essentially the skip feature on tapes.
- Oh, it would notice when the music stopped
and it would stop--
- Yeah, like a real tape, a manufactured tape,
like an album, like an actual,
not one that you made yourself,
but a real one that you could pick up,
it could pick up in the coding.
Yeah, there was a, a pause and get you to the next song.
- Yeah.
- I liked it when they had high speed dubbing too,
and you could like make a copy for your friend
and it didn't take--
- Yeah, yeah. - Like three hours to do.
- This is a great conversation.
So, reeling you back into the movie,
Blaine suggests going to a house party,
Steph is throwing, but Andy is mistreated by everybody,
including-- - Where's your date ever?
Like, what the fuck?
- Oh, yeah, I don't know why the hell you would do this.
- Right?
- And I mean, he asks her and she's like,
I don't wanna do that.
And he's like, oh no, it'll be fine.
- Yeah, you don't have a backup?
Like, what was your, I mean, you had no, he had no plans.
- What's his name, Andrew?
We can't burn these guy.
What's his name in this?
Blaine, right?
- Blaine.
- Oh yeah, Blaine, Blaine.
- But he's in weekend of burnies, right?
- Yeah, sorry, I had to think for a second, yeah.
- What's his name?
He's a mannequin. - He's a mannequin.
- Andrew McCarthy.
- He's a mannequin. - Andrew McCarthy.
Yeah, he's a mannequin.
And mannequin two.
- Is he a mannequin two?
- No, he's not mannequin two.
No, you're right, he's not.
No, wait, is he--
- But isn't Christie Swanson a mannequin two?
- Mannequin two was a very loose sequel.
The only one that's in it is Hollywood.
So.
(laughing)
- Oh God.
- You wanna talk about some--
- No, I wanna talk about pretty pink, actually.
I wanna get this over with.
I don't wanna talk about it.
I don't wanna talk about it in your making this movie.
- I don't wanna talk about it in a stupid movie.
I'd rather talk about cassette tapes
and bad characters from other bad movies, so.
- Let's get through this, oh God.
All right, so Blaine suggests going
to a house party, Steph is throwing,
but Andy is mistreated by everybody,
including a drunken Steph and Benny.
Stupid name for a girlfriend.
Andy, in turn, suggests going to a local club
where they discover Iona sitting with Ducky,
who is hostile towards Blaine.
After another argument with Ducky,
Andy and Blaine walk out of the club.
Andy, feeling that their night didn't go so well,
tells Blaine that she wants to go home,
but when Blaine offers to take her home,
she refuses, emitting that she doesn't want him
to see where she lives.
She eventually allows him to drop her off,
and he asks her to go to prom,
which she accepts, and they share their first
really sloppy, way too long kiss.
- Oh, it's disgusting, I might even, I'm sorry, I might.
- Wait, wait, let me get the sentence out, and we're done.
Andy visits Iona at her apartment the next day
to talk about the date.
Meanwhile, Blaine, pressured by Steph, Benny,
and all of his rich friends,
begins distancing himself from Andy.
Okay, go.
- I don't know, the kiss is disgusting.
- I don't, I'm like, what the hell,
why, he almost like kisses her nose, like it is.
- I don't know, he's not very good.
- Well, I just had this image of John Hughes off camera,
like rubbing his hands together, like he is.
Yes, continue more tongue, yes, and it's like, ugh.
- That old was Andrew McCarthy in this movie.
- He was like eight years older than her, I think.
- Yeah, he's like 24, but five, yeah.
- I mean, not obscenely, I mean, not like Iona.
- Yeah, he's actually, yeah, he's not,
I mean, James Spader is like eight years old.
I think he's only like six years older.
So he's not quite.
- It's not horrific, but it's just,
I was just like, all right, come on, cut, next scene.
Can we get, ugh, sloppy sloppy.
All right, so, okay, now, next paragraph,
we're gonna get into the dad.
So we can read this, but I'm gonna read it a little bit
about the dad, and then we can talk about
the weirdness that is the dad.
- Jack, okay, Jack comes home one night
and surprises Andy with a pink dress.
He bought for her, Jack being the dad.
Questioning how he was able to afford it,
Andy tells him that she knows he has been lying
about going to a full-time job.
They have a big argument until Jack breaks down
revealing that he is still bitter and depressed
about his wife having left him.
I just, I remember talking to Amanda during the movie,
and I'm like, what's up with the dad?
And she's like, oh, don't go into it.
- And I'm thinking, like, he's a drunk,
as you mentioned, Brad, or--
- Yeah, it would have been so much better
if he was just a drunk, or a drunk addict, something.
- Then it's this, he just really misses the mom,
and I'm like, okay, I get it.
You've fallen low with somebody, they leave.
But how long are we talking here?
10 years?
- Three years, three years, she's been going to lose three.
- Okay, but still.
- But he's clinically depressed.
- Get him to a fucking, you know, healthcare.
They had psychiatrists then.
They had--
- Not for men, professionals.
- Not for men, for sure.
- Yeah, men didn't go to psychologists back then.
Men just manned up.
- You manned up.
- Well, he doesn't, man.
So he just lays, I mean, it's so, like, you got a kid.
Like, you got a fucking,
how are they affording the house and everything?
Like, what--
- He was doing part-time work.
Like, he was doing a lot of part-time jobs.
- Well, then it seemed to be working,
so get off his case.
- He dabbles a little bit in politics.
- Yeah.
- And sugar machines.
- And yeah, and machine.
- Cigarette machines.
- Cigarette machines, yeah.
(laughing)
Well, the problem is, is that right after this movie,
he got a job, but it was on a spaceship
and they had this weird encounter with an alien.
(laughing)
You know, that's what you get from.
See, the story here, the theme or the lesson,
that's the where I'm looking for.
The lesson is, don't work.
- Don't let a space.
- An alien movie.
- That was the job he was talking about, right?
It's like this secret hush hush.
He couldn't tell her about it.
- That's what I think.
Yeah, that wasn't that why I got from it.
But yeah, I just thought that was just, like, that's it.
You know, he was man enough to take on
the responsibility of raising this daughter.
- And he did.
- Which was great.
But it's like, work.
Dude, do something.
Pass the time.
I mean, I just, I don't know.
- He was clinically, I'm with Brett.
- He's got it, he's got issues, and he needs help.
- Yeah, he needs help.
- But in 1906, I mean.
Nobody, no guys wouldn't go.
'Cause it was a shrink.
It was, you know, oh, it was a,
especially somebody like with them,
they don't have money.
- Like, how's he gonna go?
- How's he gonna afford to go?
Yeah, that's actually--
- Let's get into the American healthcare system.
- Let's not.
- Well, I didn't hear her.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- Yeah, so, all right.
So that was, the dad thing I thought was--
- I thought you were too hard on the dad, but that's me.
- Okay, I apologize.
- The dad's a weird character.
They're all weird characters.
- This movie is stupid.
(laughing)
- Time to open that third beer.
(laughing)
- This movie is a waste of my time watching it.
And I'm glad that I never, as a kid, watched the whole thing.
I remember two scenes from this movie.
I remember them having the, not the argument that Andy
and her dad have, but like, the part where she's like
waking them up in the morning is like making them breakfast,
which I always thought was weird.
And then I remember when Ducky tackled James Spader
for whatever reason.
I remember that scene.
- 'Cause that was the most action-packed scene
of the entire movie.
- Yeah, but last night I'm watching, I'm like,
oh, what happens here at the end link?
And then when they go out at the end,
I'm gonna spoil it for everybody.
When they go out at the end,
and they're at the car at the end of the prom,
like that's it.
The movie just, I was like,
and I'm like sitting there watching it.
- I think that was my exact words.
When it went to credits, I was like, that's it.
I was also like, that's it.
Thank God, I'm outta here.
(laughing)
I mean, it was both perfect and happy at the same time.
- Yeah.
- This movie, and the crazy thing is,
I know I've had this conversation multiple times
with different people who are always like,
Molly Waringwald comes up,
or these old movies come up and John Hughes or,
and Pretty Pink always gets dropped in there.
Like it's just as good as breakfast club,
or, you know, six years ago.
- There's no lure.
- And fairs, but I'm like,
get the fuck out of here, that argument.
Anyone ever brings, I'm gonna just,
- No, it's not.
I just watched it, damn it.
- And listen, I know I just,
if you're listening to these in order,
I just ripped those other two movies I mentioned
to shreds as far as I don't think they hold up,
but they're far better movies than this is.
This doesn't even hold a.
- Really, there's so much less rape.
- There's so much, I mean.
- There's so much less everything.
- There's nothing, it's just it's really just Cinderella.
It's just the story of Cinderella
without the Google step sisters.
Yeah, it's just she's the Prince Charming,
and then it's just a dumb, it's the movie has no,
there's no stakes, the whole,
the whole stakes is the fact that he,
apparently Blaine can't be seen with her
because he's going to inherit his dad's corporate job.
Is that how, that doesn't,
that's not how the fucking world works.
Like it's so stupid, it was so dumb.
- If he dates her, they're going to disown him
and he will not come into his inheritance.
Apparently is.
- Sort of.
- Is that what it is.
- It's going to be that rich.
- I think he's going to bring him friends,
which is a very high school thing.
- Yeah, it is.
Yeah, I'll give him that.
- I mean, we're not talking about a dog.
- But his friends are dicks.
I mean, why even be friends with Steph?
He's an asshole.
- Yeah.
- So maybe they were better friends
and Steph just got to be a jerk in high school.
But the whole scene where he's talking,
he's like, you're going to lose your friends.
If you date her, it's like,
maybe I don't want a friend like you.
- Maybe most of you guys aren't like you.
- Like me?
- Yeah.
- Oh, well, I know that.
All right, let's get through this, woo.
At school, Andy confronts Blaine.
- I already called the Andy, we're not done.
- Let me get through Wikipedia
in case we missed anything.
At school, Andy confronts Blaine
for avoiding her and not returning her calls.
When asked about prom,
he claims that he had already asked somebody else,
but had forgotten, bull shit.
Andy calls Blaine a liar and tells him
that he is ashamed of being seen with her
because he knows Steph, Benny,
and all of Blaine's rich friends won't approve.
Andy runs away as a teary-eyed Blaine leaves
with Steph insulting Andy as he passes.
Ducky overhears Steph and attacks him in the hallway.
The two fight before teachers intervene,
Andy goes to Iona crying and telling her about what happened.
And then asks for Iona's old prom dress.
- I still love Iona.
- What, okay.
What is the school?
There's a lot of smoking going on in this high school.
- Yeah, like right before they play volleyball,
that was the year. - Yes.
In gym class, she's smoking and said,
well, James Speed right before that,
when he has that conversation,
he's down in the stairwell,
he's down there smoking and then he puts it out
and then walks up the stairs and that's when Ducky tackles.
I'm like, he's-
- Did he even let that figure out?
- It looked to me like he had a record that he dropped
on the ground and stepped on.
- Well, I'm sure, I'm sure because of the takes and everything,
but he does at one point,
I'm sure that was a continuity error that looked bad.
- He's a rich kid.
They can do anything.
- Come on guys, didn't you have those kids in high school?
We did.
They could get away with anything.
- I don't wait in the school, they smoked?
- Yeah.
- I don't know.
- I mean, everything came around behind the buildings.
- Right.
- I'd go in between classes.
- I never saw anybody light up in a hallway.
- Never.
Not even in a bath.
- There's nobody out there.
So it's not like you can blend in.
- That's true.
- I mean, James Vader standing there on the landing
between the two flights of stairs,
just smoking a cigarette like he's in a street car.
- Yeah, like he's in college.
- Right, and then he puts it out on the floor.
Like right there, like, come on, give me a fucking break.
That's, this is, but then smoking before gym class,
like it, like they're waiting for the gym teacher
to get there, which was really weird.
'Cause half the people already play in a game
of volleyball, like they're just gonna pick like,
I don't know, this guy ever,
do these people ever go to high school?
This is what high school we think.
- We need you to find us a movie that's about high school
that is correct.
- Spiderman.
I don't know.
All right.
So we have one more paragraph on look at what you do.
- What's cool.
- Because I do want to make sure that we talk,
we talked about the dad,
I want to talk about Ducky at the end,
'cause he had the ending sucks,
but I want to talk about how one of my big issues
with the ending, so.
- Can we think about that?
- I do have a, I do have a bread fact.
I just need to get out there before I forget,
before we get it, before I get on my little tirade
about how shitty this movie was.
So.
- It's starting, not yet.
- No, I mean, until I continue.
But, so the, remember in the early,
the first scene they're in the tracks record store
and she's stapling the, the, the records to the ceiling
with the staple got.
- Yeah, you shoot the kid with the staple.
- Shoot the kid.
So the kid is played by, I don't remember his name,
but he is the creator of Yo Gabba Gabba, the TV show.
Do you know what Yo Gabba Gabba?
- I remember hearing about Yo Gabba Gabba.
- It's a fucking crazy, like,
I don't know, it's a kid show, but it is.
- It's like an LSD trip of a kid show?
- Yes, yeah.
But he's the creator of it.
- Nice.
- That's a really good Brad fact.
- He got shot in the face with a stapler.
- Have it.
- What is that?
- I don't wanna play.
- 'Cause she's also an indie Brad.
- They don't, I mean, I've shot those,
they don't go that far.
That's bullshit.
Like you don't.
- And you can't really aim on me.
- Maybe it's like a potato guy.
Like she's just kind of worked that one.
- She's prodded it up.
She's prodded up her stapler.
- Yeah, it's like a sniper scope.
She's got it adjusted just to her aim and her grip
and, you know, her work.
- I don't think a staple gun would go
through a piece of record, to be honest.
Now I think about it.
- No, I won't have to go point.
I don't know.
- It's paper, those aren't real records.
I thought they were paper.
- I didn't.
- The ones hanging for the ceiling are real records.
- That's I think what we're talking about.
- Okay, but that's not true.
- She was some real record on the ceiling, wasn't she?
- No, she's more pictures of them.
- Oh, that's a subtlety I didn't pick up on.
- You weren't paying attention.
- I've seen this once.
- You should have been paying attention.
- All right, fine.
(laughing)
All right, so last paragraph.
Ooh, you need to crack open another one yet Brad?
- Are you good?
- No, but I won't stop the podcast to do it,
so I'll keep it going through.
- All right, I'll make Brock talk
and run out to the fridge and come back.
- All right.
Using the fabric from my own address
and the dress her father bought,
Andy creates a new pink prom dress.
- Which is hideous.
- Okay.
- Sorry.
- No, it's fine.
You said that, yeah, you didn't like the dress.
- What the hell?
- But then you kind of said you sort of liked it
'cause it was like--
- I know, I didn't like it.
What I said was, is it kind of works
because all of Andy's outfits are like counterculture,
so her dress is very unpromlike.
- Okay.
- But it's awful.
It just hangs on her like a bag.
And there's like, there's at least 20 yards of fabric there
and she uses about four.
- Well, we've already established,
she does have small boobs, so, you know, like, I mean,
in previous movies, so that's canon, so, I mean, what do you--
- Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Was there any quicksand in this movie?
It wasn't--
- There were no boobs in this movie.
- There's a child sacrifice either.
- Nope.
- Yeah.
- That's why Brad doesn't like it.
- Yeah, we really need to get back to it, so.
All right, so let's see.
When she arrives at the prom,
Andy has second thoughts about braving the crowd
on her own until she sees Ducky.
They reconcile and walk into the ballroom hand-in-hand.
Has he drunk?
- Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.
So Ducky just got dressed up in hopes
that she would show up so that they could walk in together
'cause they don't--
- I wonder exactly what she's doing every minute
of every day.
- He's a creepy stalker.
- Yeah, he's got her phone.
- Honestly, I think he went just to go,
just because he's--
- He's Ducky.
- He's that kind of a person where he's like,
"Screw it, I'm just gonna go, I don't care."
And I think, honestly, it was just luck.
Well, pluck contrivance, but luck, too.
- Oh, it's just Ducky, lucky.
Lucky Ducky.
- Yes, duck luck.
- Duck luck.
No, but like, all right.
- Long duck luck, what?
- Is he just, maybe he kept riding by on his bike
'cause he says he goes by like a hundred times
and he saw her making the dress so that she knew he knew.
- He figured it out.
- Yeah, the cutscene where he's peering through her window
and she doesn't stand around.
- No, where he's going through her garbage
and he's like, "You're spabber, yeah."
- Exactly, exactly.
- Yeah, that's--
- This is "Kissly Girls."
- Well, that was the scene that John Hughes wrote
but they decided to cut it out the last time.
- And they made a whole movie out of it here in Durham.
- Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.
As a drunk staff begins mocking the couple,
Blaine confronts him and finally realizes
that Steph resents Andy because she had turned
down his advances.
Blaine, then, blah, blah, Blaine then approaches the two,
shaking Duckie's hand and then apologizing to Andy,
telling her that he always believed in her
and that he will always love her,
kissing her cheek before walking out.
Duckie concedes that Blaine is not
like the other rich kids at school
and advises Andy to go after him,
joking that he'll never take her to another prom
if she doesn't.
Duckie then sees a girl smiling at him,
looks, breaks the fourth wall, which was funny,
signaling him to come over and dance with her.
Andy catches up with Blaine in the parking lot
and there's another sloppy kiss.
And then it's over, that's it, she's done.
- She should have ended up with, it was okay.
Well, I don't think she should have ended up
with Duckie like dating.
- She doesn't end up with anybody, that's the thing.
- Well, I mean, it's a romantic compliment.
- The overriding theme of these movies
is that Molly Ringwell's character does not have
to end up with anybody and the people she ends up with
are wrong in every single case.
- That's the, but that's the, I mean, like,
she does have to end up.
I mean, it doesn't stay with them,
but the whole point of the movie is that she's trying to--
- Right.
- They have to have to come up with somebody,
but so Blaine, the guy who broke your heart,
lied to you and then humiliated you
in the middle of the hallway.
How about no?
- I mean, he seems like a decent guy.
- Yeah, but--
- I mean, considering--
- Duckie's a creep too.
- But you've only known him how long
and he's already broken your heart in the span of three weeks?
- That's the thing for me, is that Duckie,
they've been, Duckie's been friends with her forever.
Duckie obviously loves her.
There's that whole scene where he's in the bedroom
and he's like, I just need to tell her,
I just need to tell her.
And that's the problem I have.
Not that she should have ended up with Duckie,
but Duckie should have at some point said,
here's how I feel about you.
- I think she knows.
- It doesn't matter.
He needs to say it.
And then he can get friend zoned,
which may or may not happen,
but then he knows and he can really move on.
- Yeah.
- He's a creep too though.
- Yeah, but he should at least tell her.
I feel like the fact that he never got a chance
to really just say, here's how I feel about you.
- What's creepy about it?
- Do with it what you want.
- He talks, in the first scene when you meet him,
he turns around after trying to make sure
that they're gonna have lunch together,
he turns to two different girls and says,
how about I impregnate one of you by summer
or whatever he says?
- That was a joke in his moment.
- Yeah, that was, that had John Hughes written all over it.
- And I'm like, what the,
yeah, they're all, all, all.
- The males in this are bad for her.
She should just-
- No, are we gonna watch-
- She should just-
- Shut off, since he did that with you.
- No, Ferris Bueller's show.
- No, sure.
- I will never hear otherwise.
- She should just take her scholarship
and go to college and just try to meet somebody with-
- And see what the real world is like
because he's high school, he ain't it.
But yeah.
- But you don't know that in high school.
- I don't feel like, again, I don't feel like,
I mean, I know it's a romantic comedy
and apparently you have to end up with somebody at the end,
but I don't feel like,
I don't know if Ducky was right for her
'cause I don't think she felt the same way about him
that he feels about her.
And I don't know if Blaine's the right person
because in this fan of knowing each other really well
for what we figure out, like two weeks.
- Three or four.
- He's already lied to her several times.
And once he sleeps with her, he might just leave.
Who knows?
- So I feel like we should do a Ferris Bueller next.
- No, not next.
- We have a better movie next because Molly Ringwald
is not in Ferris Bueller.
- Okay.
- Next week is a surprise.
- Okay.
- So yeah, so that's a pretty in pink.
I don't regret not watching this more as a kid.
I don't feel like I missed a whole lot.
I will watch "16 Candles in Breakfast Club."
I don't know if I'd ever sit down
and watch "Pretty in Pink" on Netflix.
It's not horrible, I've seen lots of movies
that are a lot worse.
It's just not, for me, it just was sort of
a forgettable snapshot of the '80s, sort of, maybe.
- Now, Amanda, you said previously
that you loved this or liked it as a kid, right?
- Yeah.
- How did you feel watching it?
- I definitely--
- When was the last time you saw it before
we were watching it for this?
- A couple of years?
- At least a couple of years.
- Relatively reasonably.
- So in the last five years, you've seen it.
You're saying?
- I don't know about that.
- Oh, really, that far?
- Yeah.
- Okay.
- We owned it on DVD, so--
- But, see, we just got it.
- Oh, didn't we?
- Yeah.
My memories of this movie were always wrapped up
in the soundtrack.
I mean, I wore that tape out.
- And you said you really liked Iona.
She's quirky.
- Yeah.
- She has to have some cool--
- I don't think I saw this in the theater.
I think I saw it once it came out on VHS.
And I mean, but the music was what did it for me.
Somebody gave me the soundtrack to the movie
as a birthday gift in like seventh grade.
- Okay.
- The soundtrack was very popular.
I read that it was so--
- Really?
- They actually made a second one with extra songs
that they were trying to use or didn't use
or something like that.
So yeah, it was very--
- I wouldn't have that taped to pieces.
- I mean, I would say that there's some exceptions,
but I think overall, the soundtrack holds up.
I like, I've always liked that kind of music
and I still do, you know?
The non like radio played stuff--
- Well, yeah, like the, I must have gotten,
I think I got it as a birthday gift in like seventh grade,
maybe.
And that introduced me to Suzanne Vega,
Bela Wiesom, I mean like--
- They were--
- Going to Bunnyman.
- Yeah, that probably would have been my first.
- Well, no, like--
- There is a weird scene in this.
There's a lot of like filler with just music though.
Like we watched that band, they go to that club,
we didn't even talk about that, they go,
they go to some bar.
- Yeah.
- It's like a music venue.
And somehow, Andy gets in, but Ducky can't.
- I think because Ducky's a boxer,
they just don't let him in.
- Is that what it's saying, H?
I mean, I'm trying to think--
- Yeah, it's a weird club
where there's like some drinking going on,
but not really--
- Right, are they drinking at the club?
Because I know right around the time when I think that,
now I think it's earlier in this,
when the legal age for drinking from 18 to 21,
it's around--
- Around the 70s.
- Yeah.
- Was it in the 70s?
- Might have been different from state to state,
that's possible too, I don't know.
- I always thought it was, maybe it was the 70s.
I thought it was early 80s was when it flipped,
but maybe I'm wrong.
But still, I think this movie's too late for them,
like they wouldn't be drinking in that.
It's weird that they're at this club in Chicago,
and that, yeah, I don't know.
That was a weird, like a whole part,
I was like, what the hell?
But there's a lot of music themed through it,
I mean, 'cause like you said,
she works at a record shop,
and she goes to this nightclub or bar
to listen to bands and stuff.
So that's a big--
- Yeah, the music was really good.
- In Illinois, the drinking age
became 21 on January 1st of 1980,
but some places here it was as late as 1987.
- So, yeah, there's every chance
that they could have been at bar.
- I guess, 1980 though,
this movie takes place in the mid-80s.
- But there were places that laid as late as '87.
- But didn't this take place in Illinois?
I guess they never really--
- Yeah, it's in Illinois.
They're in Chicago.
- That's right, 'cause they talk about Chicago and stuff, okay.
Yeah, it's weird, it's either the mid-80s or the 30s.
Like Utah and Washington State and Pennsylvania
was the mid-30s, and then everywhere else is the mid-80s.
- Oh. - It's very weird.
- Yeah.
- Where you go?
- I didn't know. - That's a Brock fact for you.
(laughing)
- Thank you, the Google.
Yeah, there were some, but yeah, I like the music.
I guess getting back to the,
I think the music was good.
- Yeah, we watched, we do watch a whole lip sync scene
with Ducky, where he's singing the--
- Yeah, see, Amanda liked that, I found it better.
- That was bad.
- Okay, yeah, exactly.
When you're in that scene, Iona's reaction is Amanda's.
Molly Ringwald's character's reaction was mine.
I'm just like, oh god, that'd be done.
- Shut up, like, stop it.
- Yeah.
- I just figured it that's who he is, but yeah.
He's obnoxious in some ways,
which it's his personality, it's fine.
I'm not hating on Ducky.
- I am.
- His character's horrible.
I'm glad I'm good.
- Here's a good example, actually.
Here's something interesting,
it shows how throwaway some of these characters are.
I had mentioned, when the credits were running,
I saw the name Kate Vernon,
and I know her from other stuff.
And I mentioned to Amanda, oh look, it's Kate Vernon.
And Amanda said, who's that?
And I said, well, she's this certain character
in the reboot of Battle Sargal Actica.
And Amanda had to sit there.
Amanda, who's seen this movie several times,
have to sit there and think about it for a minute.
- I said, oh God, that's Betty.
- And be like, oh, that's, no, you said,
that's James Spader's girlfriend, she's a bitch.
(laughing)
And she was, but I don't know if she had
more than a minute of screen time.
Maybe two of the classroom scene.
But really, she was like just there to be a bitch,
just to show that everybody's ugly towards--
- Well, she has this character in it.
She has nothing to happen.
- She has the two school scenes,
and then the scene with James Spader, right, she has--
Yeah, the orgy scene, yeah.
- Well, they're not in the orgy.
The orgy's going on in like the study downstairs.
They're upstairs in the Hugh Heffner suite,
where he's got a story right there.
- All high school parties, according to John Hughes,
had kids running around in their underwear apparently.
- Well, the thing, James Spader's character
and Jake Ryan from 16 Candles,
both of them were like, do you think I'd care about money?
You know, if I train at my parents' house like this?
- And I guess he must have known some really
asshole rich kids, and he assumed
that they were all that way, or more stupid.
He just decided that's what rich kids were like,
and said that's what all the rich, 'cause yeah.
- Like, as Jake Ryan doesn't say that,
he says that about his girlfriend, Jenny.
- Yeah, Jake Ryan, it was a little bit
where they, at least James Spader acknowledged.
He was like, I don't care about money.
Look at what I let these people do to my house.
Like, it's almost like, yeah.
But God, this movie was shit.
- All right, Brad, your challenge is to find a movie
that you actually still like.
- Well, no, maybe that we never find one.
- Except for the world's greatest athlete.
- Yeah, I just still like that one.
- So, yeah, so that was, that's pretty in pink.
To me, a somewhat forgettable cult classic.
I don't know, maybe if--
- Nothing happens in it, nothing.
Like, again, I go back, the only thing that was at stake
is the fact that he decides he doesn't wanna take
her to prom because he thinks his friends
might make fun of him.
That's the only, that's what this whole movie is about.
- She wants a boy to date her.
Noted her a rich boy to note her and date her.
That's kind of good.
- She doesn't even, she just wants to go to prom.
She doesn't even want that.
- I don't really, it doesn't happen every time.
- And he, she doesn't really go after him.
He kind of sees her, so that's true, okay.
- Oh, I know what I wanted to talk about.
Oh my God, I want, when I was about done,
it really was good, just 'cause shut it off.
I'd be like, we gotta pick a different fucking movie.
The stupid ass computer scene.
(laughing)
Where he somehow hacks her computer terminal next to his
and gets a picture of her and a picture of him.
And then it does some weird, like, oh my God.
- Oh, he learned that watching war games, so, you know.
(laughing)
Yeah, that was pretty cheap.
- Oh, fucking bad.
I was like, what the fuck did I just see?
(laughing)
It's like there's always one point in a John Hughes movie
where it's just a little too much, like,
Emilio Estevez screaming and breaking the glass.
The computer scene and pretty in pink.
What was it in "16 Candles" that was just cheesy?
- The movie.
- "Lungduk Dong", I don't know.
- The party.
- The party, the party, where the weights go through
the ceiling, the air bubbles coming out of the vent.
- The air bubbles or whatever, yeah.
So that's like, what is that?
- No, but that computer scene,
I was just like, come the fuck on.
And so where do he get the picture of her?
To render into the computer?
- Brad, you're overthinking it.
- I think there's another cut scene.
Another cut scene where he hires
to like stalk her and take a picture.
- It's an 80s movie.
- Hey, it took two weeks of programming
to make that scene happen.
Maybe you should appreciate it for what it was in 1985.
- And I'm confused.
Don't you say she's at work?
- No, she's at work, like, working on this.
She's like, I'm working.
- I'm working.
- Yeah.
- Okay.
- All right, so we're going to finish out.
- All right, so are we done?
- I think Brad's done.
- Have we hacked up Pretty and Pink enough?
- I mean.
- All right, so yeah.
And we got one more Molly Ringwald May episode coming up
next week.
You could of course maybe guess it
if you look at everything and get lucky,
but I think it's one that a lot of you haven't seen.
And I'm looking forward to slash dreading rewatching it
because I don't know what to think.
- Yeah, I definitely remember looking at the screenshots
that I have seen this movie before,
but I do not remember what the hell happens.
And it looks like potentially a lot could be happening
in this movie.
- But this movie come out before or after.
- It was her first movie.
- Oh, don't do it.
Yeah.
- Oh, well.
- I'll beat the, I'm going to,
I'll cut all this in post it.
- We'll just believe it.
- Yeah, it was B.
- Yes.
- Anyway, so yeah, so that's pretty in pink.
Yeah, I got nothing else left to say.
So you guys want to do it.
- Wait, wait, we didn't do our official ratings, are we?
- Oh, yeah, well, I mean, this one's hard
because I didn't really see it as a kid.
- Right, that's true.
- I don't even know if I want to say it necessarily holds up.
I just didn't find it to be a very interesting movie in general.
- I think honestly, for me, it's still sort of held up
because I love the music so much.
And so like when we were watching it together,
like to start the season time, we got, "Oh, I love this song."
- You know what would be interesting would be for you
to do sort of like they do when they take the laugh track
out of sitcoms, is for you to watch this without the music.
And for you to be like, "Wow, this is not good."
- 'Cause like, you know, like, a scene would be coming up
and I'd be like, "Ooh, the song coming up is really good."
I remember, like, you know, the whole time I'm watching it.
So I think, I think for me--
- A lot of yours is wrapped around the music.
- Yeah, so I think, I think for me, it holds up for that reason.
Like I still love "Annie Potts."
I still love the music in it.
I still like, just the aesthetic.
- Yeah.
- So for--
- Okay.
- That's good, okay.
- That's fine.
- I'm just glad I've only seen it once,
all the way through, and I will never watch it again.
(both laughing)
- So Brad and I were less than impressed
and Amanda used to have fun memories.
- And so for Christmas, I'm gonna like make a collage
of all the discs of movies that we have that Brad hates
so he can just hang it up in his basement,
our recording area, and be like,
"You're one of the podcast."
- No, what I'm waiting for is like three years from now
out of nowhere, we're gonna get a letter from John Hughes,
just like--
- He's dead.
- He's going on on it.
- That would be really scary 'cause he's dead, yeah.
- I'm really, really, really fuckin' scared.
- The company in this movie's gonna reach out to us
and be like, "How dare you?"
And if it is John Hughes, I'll be terrified,
but it would also be kind of cool.
- When did he die?
- Two or three years ago, two years ago.
- He never spoke to Molly Redwell again.
- Good douche.
- Because she didn't wanna do some kind of wonderful.
- The fourth movie, whatever.
- She was like, "I'm kind of done with this."
And he never spoke to her again.
He stopped talking to Anthony Michael Hall
for the same reason from what I understand.
Like he didn't wanna do this movie as--
- The more I learn about him,
the more I realize why these movies are the way they are.
- Yeah.
- It's a look inside his weird little brain.
- His sad little world.
- Yeah.
- All right guys, well, thank you for joining us.
Our, we're gonna break to brat now
to give you all of our social media stuff
'cause I can never remember it.
- Well, I mean, just Google doesn't hold up on Facebook
and then--
- Look for Pinky Pie.
And then on Twitter, we're @holdsdoes
and then that's it, that's all.
We're not on Instagram still.
We're not gonna be on Instagram.
And yeah, that's it.
(laughing)
- And honestly--
- Wow, I just am so disheartened.
- Honestly, it's true out there.
- If there's somebody out there that absolutely loved
and loves this movie or any of the movies that we do
and you just wanna explain to us what we've missed maybe,
let us know 'cause I'd be curious to get other,
other opinions on things.
I don't think you're gonna convince us
that Pretty and Pink is a masterpiece of any kind.
- Especially that brat.
- I don't be willing to have a 10, 15 minute conversation
with anyone in any of these movies
and we could even put it out as like a mini episode
where we can discuss.
I mean, I had that conversation with a friend of mine
about Night Court recently.
- Which I feel like you should be able to--
(laughing)
- Because all three of us were just like,
this was awful.
Like this, usually it's like, you know, Brad's like,
it's terrible, I'm kind of in the middle
and bro, I was like, well, it's not too bad.
This, all three of us were just like,
I needed it to be done.
I needed whiskey in order to do the podcast.
- Yeah, so, but honestly, just, you know, chime in.
Wow, yeah, you guys really nailed it.
I never really thought of it that way or,
oh, you guys totally missed the point of 16 candles.
- I had a friend that stopped listening
to the Legend episode because she was like,
I love that movie and you guys just destroyed it.
- Oh, well.
- You're welcome.
(laughing)
- Hey, we say it at the top of every episode.
So buckle up here.
- You're ruined your childhood
and not make you feel good about it.
But then I have another friend that listened
to our Poltergeist episode.
It was like, oh man, I'm going to be two to the end now.
So.
- Well.
- Thanks Becca.
(laughing)
- Anyway, so yeah, that's all we got.
- That's all we got.
- Thank you all for listening
and we will see you next week to wrap things up for me.
Bye everybody.
- Bye.