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 There's a fanboy out about it. I mean, yeah.

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 It's polluted. Everything's polluted.

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 Everything's polluted.

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 The kids are polluted.

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 Welcome to Does It Hold Up?

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 The podcast dedicated to potentially

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 got divorced. I'm Braggart.

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 I'm Amanda.

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 And I'm Brad.

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 And we'd like to welcome everybody to

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 part two of Molly Ringwald May.

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 1985. So the year after 16 candles?

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 I feel like I'm just doing most of the talking.

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 So, back to the Breakfast Club.

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 Claire Standish, the snob.

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 The only thing I could think of that would be similar to what they do here is what Brock called ICE early, which was in school suspension, but they only had...

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 The fact that they're supposed to sit in this room for nine hours, not speak, not do homework, not get up unless told they can't...

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 He assigns them a thousand word essay in which each of them must describe who you think you are, quote, who you think you are, unquote.

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 John spends most of his time humiliating Brian, bullying Andrew, harassing Claire, which I think that's a light way of putting in.

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 Yeah.

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 And even...

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 Listen.

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 But they all eventually feel sorry for him after seeing how he interacts with abusive adults like Vernon, who gave John eight weeks worth of additional detention and eventually locks him in a storage closet.

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 But he escapes and returns to the library.

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 Good Lord.

278
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 That's...

279
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 That's like the first hour of the movement.

280
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 Yeah.

281
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 Yeah.

282
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 That's a long sentence.

283
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 Yeah.

284
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 I think saying that he harasses Claire is putting it lightly.

285
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 I mean, sexually harasses her.

286
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 Sexually assaulted.

287
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 His relationship with Claire, I think, was the hardest part of the movie to get over.

288
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 Like, that, I think, was probably the part of the movie that if they redid it, wouldn't be the same.

289
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 Because not only is he just a total ass to her, like, there's the part where he's talking to her about are you a virgin?

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 And he kind of describes, like, being with a boy.

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 Like, he's in her.

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 Like, she looks scared.

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 And he's, like, you know, felt up over the bra.

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 You know, you know, just describing an interaction just way too graphically to her.

295
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 And he can see it's bothering her, so he keeps doing it.

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 And then, of course, the scene where he's under the desk and he sticks his head between her legs.

297
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 Right.

298
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 Probably the worst part of the whole movie.

299
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 Yeah.

300
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 Yeah.

301
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 He's just a dick. I mean, and then he ends up where in now.

302
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 Right.

303
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 So, you know, he stayed method.

304
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 Judd Nelson did during the, so he harassed Molly Ringwald offset off camera.

305
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 Yeah.

306
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 I wonder she cried so easily in the movie.

307
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 Probably real.

308
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 Yeah.

309
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 Well, that's the other thing.

310
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 That is what Molly Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall were both 16.

311
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 Yes.

312
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 And Judd Nelson was 25.

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 So had significant more experience about, you know, being an adult and I think it showed.

314
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 Maybe that's why it works so well.

315
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 I don't know.

316
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 I think his character wouldn't be there.

317
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 He wouldn't show up on Saturday.

318
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 What are they going to do to him?

319
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 Yeah.

320
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 I mean, that's like he's such a fucking like, I just don't.

321
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 There's no way he would be there.

322
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 That's where I was like, I'm watching.

323
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 I'm like, hold on.

324
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 This guy wouldn't even show up and then there wouldn't be anything.

325
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 And then I mean, there's so many things in this movie that just wouldn't happen.

326
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 There's no way that Emilio Estes or Molly Ringwald, Claire or, or Anthony Michael Hall.

327
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 There's no way the three of them would at all like go roaming down the hallways with

328
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 Bender to get his weed or they would, they would just not engage him.

329
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 They would sit there and take their punishment because they have bigger things to worry about.

330
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 And they would move on from this there one day.

331
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 They would just sit there and take it.

332
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 Instead.

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 I think especially Anthony Michael Hall and Emilio Estes.

334
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 I mean, Molly Ringwald didn't seem to be in that much trouble from her dad when her dad

335
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 drops her off.

336
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 But I don't know.

337
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 There's no way Emilio Estes would ruin.

338
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 He talks about it.

339
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 He says, I'm not going to miss next Saturday's match wrestling match.

340
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 Yeah.

341
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 And then later.

342
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 I don't smoke marijuana.

343
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 Right.

344
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 Like I'm like watching like, there's no fucking way.

345
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 There's, this is like, I'm like, oh, it's just just dumb now.

346
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 This movie is dumb.

347
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 It's just, yeah, that's why right at that point, I'm like, that's where I had to turn it off.

348
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 And I watched it.

349
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 Like I said, before we start recording, I watched the last like 16, 18 minutes.

350
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 A few days later, because I just couldn't, I got so.

351
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 This movie, put me on a roller coaster at first.

352
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 I was like, okay, it's a pretty good portrayal of some of the characters.

353
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 I knew like kind of the people clicks that were in high school.

354
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 Okay.

355
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 Yeah.

356
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 But then at the same point, I'm like, no, these people, the, the, some of those people wouldn't

357
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 do any of the stuff that they're doing.

358
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 They're the way they would help vendor.

359
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 I mean, like this, it's just stupid.

360
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 They wouldn't.

361
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 I mean, I guess I could agree with that on some points.

362
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 I mean, overall, I enjoyed it.

363
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 I did not like.

364
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 I didn't like really studying how, I mean, I know why you did it.

365
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 I know that bender puts on this tough guy facade because he's got a shitty home life.

366
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 And he needs to be, you know, the rebel and all that stuff.

367
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 And he hates Claire because she's the opposite.

368
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 She's the princess.

369
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 He gets everything she wants.

370
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 And so he just, you know, lays into her from, from the get go.

371
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 And I mean, maybe also some weird sort of way because he kind of likes her, but he doesn't, you know, that's.

372
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 Yeah.

373
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 It falls into that trope of, well, falls into that trope of, oh, the guy likes you.

374
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 He'll pick on you, mate.

375
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 And then that and tell, you know, that like falls into that whole fucking bullshit.

376
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 And that's one of the things, and we'll, when we get near the end, that's beyond his harassing of her.

377
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 There's a something that happens at the end that I felt wouldn't have happened.

378
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 And we can get into that when we get there.

379
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 But I almost have to wonder if, again, we talked about this with 16 candles that John Hughes, you know, the party they go to is John Hughes's idea of a crazy party.

380
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 Yeah, is this John Hughes idea of a serious rebel in high school?

381
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 Well, I mean, Molly Ringwald wrote like an op ed for the New York Times.

382
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 Nice.

383
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 I mean, it was, yeah, I mean, she, uh, and one of the things that she's, you know, she was talking about the movies that she did with him and how she was bothered by some of it.

384
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 So that I actually to make sure I wrote it, like wrote this quote down, this quote, if I sound overly critical, it's only with hindsight.

385
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 Back then I was only vaguely aware of how inappropriate much of John's writing was given my limited experience and what was considered normal at the time.

386
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 That's the thing. In the eighties, this was normal and she's 16. Yeah.

387
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 All right. And she's got adults telling her what to do in Hollywood of all places. Yeah, which, you know, we found out in the last few years how much fun it was for women in Hollywood.

388
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 So wait, wait, you're trying to tell me that Molly Ringwald wrote an op ed that is basically what we're doing with this podcast for this month.

389
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 Basically, I didn't really know that I found the quote. I didn't really know that it was a much more general op ed. So maybe, maybe Molly Ringwald will become a fan because she's like, see, they get it.

390
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 So, all right. So we'll jump back into the, uh, the plot synopsis here.

391
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 Well, I do have a question. Like, I remember this being funny when I was a kid.

392
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 Did you guys laugh when you were watching this time?

393
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 Yeah, I did. I mean, because like 16 cans, I still laughed at some of the bits, even though I felt. Yeah, and I don't remember.

394
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 I mean, this movie and like benders got some funny bits.

395
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 Um, like the whole thing with the sushi, like not necessarily the tongue in your mouth, but just his reaction to sushi, because I had never eaten sushi in 1985 or whenever this movie came out.

396
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 Yeah, it was you. That's raw fish. And I felt that that was obviously not now because I eat sushi all the time. But I'm very little of his actually raw fish. That was, yeah, that was like a movie trope that was in the 80s, early 80s that wasn't an actual thing.

397
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 And that's all that sushi was was raw fish. Yeah, it wasn't. But, you know, we didn't know what it was. We had no way of finding out.

398
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 Yeah, I guess he, he, that is a good. I mean, he has a good look on his face when he's looking at that. But yeah, and his interaction with with Vernon with the very mental quote. That's pretty good.

399
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 Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, there's, there's some little bits where I would laugh like there's a part where there's smoke in marijuana and Anthony Michael Hall's doing the chick can't hold a smoke.

400
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 And then he high fives them and like makes them hit himself in the head with his own hand. And he falls over.

401
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:16,000
 I mean, there's, there's some funny stuff and that's actually from a Richard Pryor stand up routine. Interesting. And then there's some other parts that are kind of funny, but in a different way, like the part where the janitor Carl is talking to Vernon.

402
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 And he's like, in Vernon's like, these are the kids that are going to take care of me when I get older and it scares the crap out of me and Carl's like, I wouldn't plan. I wouldn't count on it.

403
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 Right. I thought that was a really good line. Yeah. Are they thinking beer. Yes. They are. I couldn't tell. Yeah. I thought it was, but.

404
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:43,000
 And I do have a question about that whole, I don't know. We can jump ahead to it. I guess what do I care. But when he's going through the files.

405
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 What's he, what are those files? He's trying to get dirt on people so that he knows their secrets and he can use it as almost like, almost like blackmail. Like, I know this about you. So you better.

406
00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:01,000
 Is he looking at students or teachers teachers teachers.

407
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,000
 Because he does say he says a name. I don't know. You said you're watching.

408
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:22,000
 But I said, you watch the closed caption. So you said, I know he says something about wanting somebody. He's like, Oh, maybe that's why you're so loony or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It's Mr. Tierney, which I always assumed was a teacher. I don't think they would have files on students.

409
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 I mean, I guess they wouldn't call a student Mr Tierney. Well, I mean, I guess you could in a weird way. Well, I always got the impression he was looking at people at the school.

410
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 Because he's he's the boss of most of the teachers. So, yeah, it's clever. It's, you know, what he says is he's like, Oh, Mr. Tierney, a slight history of mental illness. The wonder is so fucked up.

411
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000
 Yeah.

412
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 Yeah, I totally recommend watching these movies with subtitles because you catch things that you either heard wrong. The one we watched it was a Blu-ray.

413
00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:07,000
 Yeah. And there was actually lyrics to the songs and some of the songs that I've known for 30 years or whatever. I was like, Oh, that's what they say in that line. So not only am I picking up lines for the movie.

414
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,000
 I'm getting song lyrics right. Look at that. You're learning.

415
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:19,000
 It's a it's a lousy endorsement for having a wife who has a hearing problem. Yeah, it really is. It's great. Thank you. Thank you for having a shitty year. I appreciate that.

416
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 So, all right. So jumping back to the plot, since we're already halfway through the movie, the students passed hours by talking, arguing. And at one point, smoking marijuana, except Allison, who does not smoke with the others.

417
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 Honestly, that was one of the parts that I thought was just ridiculous. The smell is not so much their smoking marijuana because I get kids did that. Now, in 1985, to me, smoking marijuana was equivalent of like snorting cocaine or doing crack.

418
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 Ah, marijuana, but that's another hearing right there. There's no way Vernon wouldn't smell that shit. There's just, there's no way that they would smoke up in an enclosed space like the library. I don't care where they are in it.

419
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:07,000
 And he wouldn't notice to me that he never comes back. What? He never comes back after they do it.

420
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:16,000
 No, there's no scene because at the end of the movie, that's why I was like, there's no scene of him coming and telling them to leave. They just start leaving at four.

421
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:24,000
 That's a good point. So, but they wouldn't know that. They didn't know that he wasn't. He didn't say like, I know. There's no way they would do it.

422
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:37,000
 Okay, that's, that's a fair explanation for how they didn't get caught. But that's like, what do they call it, plot armor, where it's like, it only worked because they wrote it into the script. You know, it's just, they wrote it. Yeah, no, that was.

423
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 There's no way there's no way they would smoke. I'm sorry. They just wouldn't. Because, like I said, Anthony Michael Hall is only in there for one time. Like, Emilie Estevez is in there. He doesn't want to be back.

424
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 He just wouldn't do it. None of them would do it. Why would you risk? That would be like, if you smoked marijuana in the school, that would be expulsion.

425
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 There's no way that they would like, oh, you're just going to come back and do that. Like, they would be kicked out. I mean, that's, that's a dumb, that whole scene doesn't make any sense to me.

426
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 Yeah, and then Emilie Estevez and the screams and the glass breaks. That's just kind of silly. And I think even John Hughes didn't like that. Like, that was a part he would have taken out.

427
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 He was a reminder of a line that I've always found funny that Amanda and I quote all the time. It's when they're talking, they're arguing about how Anthony Michael Hall's character is like, God, it took shop because, you know, you've seen the guys that take shop, you know, and.

428
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 And then he starts talking to vendor. He's like, do you realize without trigonometry, there would be no engineering and vendors like without lamps, there'd be no light.

429
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 I've always found that line.

430
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:47,000
 Yeah, it's just, it's just, it's stupid, but it's fun. So that was one where, even though I've heard that line a hundred times. I laughed. Yeah.

431
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 I didn't know. I didn't realize until watching this time that this was the origin story for parkour.

432
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 That Emilie Estevez starts parkour after he smokes weed.

433
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,000
 I didn't realize that either. Again, he jumps off the wall.

434
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:11,000
 I didn't know about. Yeah, he does. I mean, he also vendor climbs the staircase at one point when he gets mad.

435
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,000
 Yeah, this is, this is really just a parkour movie.

436
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 That's, that's what we're going to get out of this.

437
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,000
 It doesn't hold up as a team angst, but it holds up as a parkour movie.

438
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 It is the best park.

439
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,000
 Yeah, the I'll just stole this totally sold at this front.

440
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 They, yeah, it's the best parkour movie ever, so.

441
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,000
 Yeah, I didn't get that. I need to watch it again apparently.

442
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,000
 So my, my creepy Brad fact is.

443
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000
 Why is it creepy? Why is it creepy?

444
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 That's it. It's evolving.

445
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,000
 Is the fact creepy or is it.

446
00:22:50,000 --> 00:23:01,000
 The creeper.

447
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:06,000
 My, my, I have a Brad fact and then a Brad fact that is creepy and this is the creepy one.

448
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 John Hughes said that getting this film greenlit by Universal wasn't easy because the executives complained that they were no breasts, no party scene, no guys drinking beer or other things that they thought a teenage picture needed.

449
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 A teenage picture needed at the time.

450
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 No movies.

451
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 But you know, we're going to go ahead and film it anyway. Thank you.

452
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 Yeah.

453
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:28,000
 Yeah.

454
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,000
 Speaking of creep, the one thing we've already talked about were.

455
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 John Nelson.

456
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 It looks up.

457
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 Molleringwald skirt.

458
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 Do you think they actually filmed that? That's actually her.

459
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,000
 Yes.

460
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:52,000
 You think 16 or 17, some cameraman got down there and I would hope that that was a body double, but who the hell knows. Yeah, I didn't even think about it.

461
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 I didn't learn the difference from Amanda until Judd Nelson and Molly Ringwald's characters are kissing at the end and I was like, Oh, wow.

462
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 Yeah.

463
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 He's 25.

464
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,000
 She's 16.

465
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:07,000
 Technically, it's legal probably.

466
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,000
 All right. So while you're looking that up, and I'm going to get back to the plot synopsis here.

467
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 Let's see. Gradually, they open up and reveal their secrets.

468
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,000
 Claire has lots of experiences of peer pressure.

469
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 John comes from an abusive household job, Bender.

470
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,000
 Bender comes from an abusive household.

471
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 Allison is a compulsive liar.

472
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 Andrew can't think for himself.

473
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,000
 And Brian contemplated suicide over a bad grade.

474
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,000
 He didn't contemplate it.

475
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,000
 He tried to kill himself with a flare gun, which I have to admit, I laughed at.

476
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,000
 He didn't know he didn't try to kill himself.

477
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:42,000
 The fact that he was going to do it with a flare gun, because I'm like, he's just going to give himself a headache and burn his hair off.

478
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,000
 But anyway, Oh, the crotch shot was a body double.

479
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,000
 Okay.

480
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,000
 I'm very pleased.

481
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000
 I'm happy to hear that.

482
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,000
 That's good because you probably would have gotten illegal trouble otherwise.

483
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,000
 What about.

484
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,000
 I think you would kill yourself with a flare gun to the head.

485
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,000
 I honestly don't know.

486
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:07,000
 If we have any Hey, 20 listeners, any who are flare gun experts, let us know.

487
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,000
 I don't know. I honestly don't know if a flare gun would kill you.

488
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000
 They come out pretty, I mean, I got to think.

489
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000
 Yeah, we'll see.

490
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:20,000
 And I don't trust movies to show me accurately what flare guns do.

491
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000
 I've only heard a flare gun and GTA.

492
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,000
 You should fire at a NPC sometimes see the kills.

493
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,000
 That'll be a research project for next time.

494
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:37,000
 All right. So then we have, they discover they all have four relationships with their parents because they're teenagers.

495
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000
 Claire's parents use her to get back at each other during arguments.

496
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,000
 John's parent, they need to stop calling them John.

497
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,000
 Benders parents physically and verbally abuse him as well as each other.

498
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000
 Allison's parents are neglectful.

499
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:57,000
 Andrew's father pushes him to the limit, especially in wrestling and Brian's parents pressure him to earn the highest grades possible.

500
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,000
 The students realize that despite their differences, they face similar problems.

501
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,000
 And here's another part of this that I thought was bullshit was when they're like,

502
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,000
 all teenagers hate their parents.

503
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,000
 I don't agree with that. I don't either.

504
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000
 I didn't hate my parents as a teenager.

505
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:18,000
 I didn't, I mean, I didn't agree with everything they said. I didn't, you know, I didn't hate them.

506
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,000
 No, I didn't hate them. No, I just didn't want to be around them.

507
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:27,000
 Yeah, I thought they were not smart, but yeah.

508
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,000
 Yeah, every team, you know, you think your teenager, you think you know everything.

509
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,000
 You think your parents don't understand, but that doesn't equate to hate.

510
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000
 Yeah, it is a strong word.

511
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,000
 Yeah.

512
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,000
 Everybody becomes their parents. I feel like there's some truth to that.

513
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,000
 What, what grade do you think these are all supposed to be?

514
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000
 I would say juniors, maybe.

515
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,000
 They're all you think?

516
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,000
 I think sophomore, maybe. Yeah.

517
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000
 Freshly aged sophomore meat.

518
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000
 Yeah, but okay.

519
00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:01,000
 It wasn't a weird. I thought I fully, I thought it was weird that none of them drove there.

520
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,000
 That they all got dropped off by their parents.

521
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,000
 I mean, that was just.

522
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,000
 Maybe that was just so you could see the parents to make like, why the parents had no.

523
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,000
 Well, I mean, that just talked about the parents.

524
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,000
 Okay, well, okay.

525
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:24,000
 I will disagree because when Anthony Michael Hall's characters dropped off, you see that the mom's all about its grades.

526
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:31,000
 When Allison's parents drop her off, they don't even acknowledge that she gets out of the car and she tries to look and they just drive off.

527
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,000
 So it kind of gives you.

528
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,000
 They say that again, they repeat everything you learn.

529
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,000
 So I'm just, I just find it weird that like none of them drove.

530
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,000
 I'm sure Claire, if she's a junior would have a car.

531
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000
 Oh, she probably had a BMW yet.

532
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,000
 Right. So why wouldn't she have driven to school? Why would her parents?

533
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:54,000
 I found that like, they didn't trust her to go because she skipped school for maybe they didn't want her to have a car there.

534
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000
 I don't know. Maybe that's part of the rules.

535
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,000
 Your parents have a car in the parking lot during the time. I don't know.

536
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,000
 And then I walked.

537
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:15,000
 I mean, I mean, he walks. That's fun. But the other, I just, I was like, and like Amelia, I feel like, like, Ali Shee and Anthony Michael Hall are probably like sophomores. I feel like, and I feel like the rest are junior seniors.

538
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:25,000
 And that's just kind of way, I just feel like they seem a little bit older. But so I would think that Amelia asked of us and Claire would, or, you know, I keep going back and forth between their characters in there.

539
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000
 But I feel like they would have driven.

540
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,000
 Yeah, but whatever. I mean, that's, I mean, that's a good point. I never really thought about it. Yeah. Yeah.

541
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,000
 I don't gain anything from them being drawn. I mean, yeah.

542
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:45,000
 Yeah, it gives you a bit of an insight into what they're going to talk about later when it comes to their parents. You know, it shows you instead of tells you or whatever they always talk about that comes like making movies and shit.

543
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:53,000
 So anyway, this is a movie. This is a movie largely of telling me. They don't show you. They're in the library the whole day of movie. So,

544
00:28:53,000 --> 00:29:02,000
 and honestly, that was the reason Amanda and I were talking about it. We were thinking you were going to say that about the movie that you didn't think there was enough stuff happening, which is why you didn't like it.

545
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:14,000
 Obviously, you've said other things leading up to this, but I was wondering like, you know, Brad's not going to like it because it's a character study. It's a bunch of people for the most part sitting around talking and learning about each other.

546
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:28,000
 No, but they're interesting characters. That's where I was where I was like, okay, this is a good movie. I think they're interesting characters and they do well on the development and the backstory and they do the vehicle of the how they get the conversation out to talk about.

547
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:34,000
 I think it's pretty good because they are bored and they're going to sit there and talk all day because there's nothing to do right.

548
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:45,000
 I think that's fine. But where I was getting that it's just like, I don't know, it's just so the stuff that they have them do, the little bit of action is ridiculous. They wouldn't have done it.

549
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:52,000
 Yeah, you're saying is like, Bender would have gone off and they would just would have said and like screw you and sat in the library. He wouldn't have shown up.

550
00:29:52,000 --> 00:30:03,000
 No, I understand. I understand. But it's to get a move. I mean, to make a movie. A lot of times you have to kind of bend reality a little bit.

551
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,000
 Matrix isn't real.

552
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,000
 No, that one.

553
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:24,000
 Right. Right. Right. I tried and I can, I've never been able to make a girl with a Barbie doll and a bolt of lightning like in weird science. That was bullshit. I nearly died trying to replicate that.

554
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:41,000
 Anyway, moving on. So let's see, Claire gives Alice in a makeover, which sparks romantic interest from Andrew. I disagree. He started looking at her before that because when he's actually started talking to her, you could see that he found her interesting because he didn't know jack shit about her.

555
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:48,000
 Yeah, before they started talking. I don't think the makeover I think because he doesn't say, wow, you're really pretty now. He's like, yeah, I'll talk to you because you're pretty.

556
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:59,000
 Yeah, he's like, I can see your face. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's a bit of that. That's accurate. Claire decides to break her quote unquote pristine innocence appearance by kissing john and giving him a hickey.

557
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:06,000
 I don't think she gives him a hickey. I thought she was a kid.

558
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:20,000
 Okay, here's the problem with this too. Yeah, go ahead, Brett. Well, you got a problem with what you got. You tell me your problem first. Okay, so my problem is, here's a guy who has treated her like shit this entire day.

559
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,000
 Right.

560
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:26,000
 She's going to go to the closet and make out with him.

561
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:35,000
 First of all, I don't think she would do that. Second of all, is she's going to wind up in an abusive relationship if what the way he was treating her is what she wants to do.

562
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:44,000
 Right. I mean, like he's, you know, the whole way. Let's see if we get the prom queen impregnated. I know he talks about raping her. Yeah. Yeah.

563
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:50,000
 Dick through the whole movie and then she shows up. He's a fuck. He's a horrible character. Cool. You know, it's.

564
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:55,000
 Well, it's the bad boys, bro. You know, the ladies love the bad boys.

565
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,000
 He's he's scary. Yeah, he is. He's scary.

566
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:05,000
 Yeah, she's going to come to, she's going to come to school once the, like in a few weeks and have a black eye. Yeah.

567
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,000
 She is. He's a psychopath.

568
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:24,000
 Watching that as a parent and, you know, being older, obviously, now that part to me was like, that should be a red flag for anybody who knows her because that is an easy way to get into numerous, if not at least one abusive relationships.

569
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:31,000
 There's no problem with that whole scene. Yeah, that, that really. And again, that was not something I even thought about when I watched this as a kid.

570
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:37,000
 Here's my, here's my problem. Mine's even simpler. It's a logistic. How the fuck did she get in that room?

571
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000
 That was why.

572
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:46,000
 If she could get in, if she could get in, then why the hell didn't John go back in that way? Why didn't you go back to the ceiling?

573
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:57,000
 I've never even thought about that. That is. And it makes it, and it makes no sense either. Why would she risk again, leaving the library to go see him when she's going to see him in like 15 minutes, or 30 minutes.

574
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:08,000
 It's like, it's so sweet because then John Hughes's mind. It's romantic. But they could have just had that scene. They had the same damn scene at the end of the movie in front of the car.

575
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:16,000
 I have that. It fucking stupid. Again, it's a stupid thing that happens in this movie, that nobody.

576
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000
 Breakfast club.

577
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,000
 I'm starting to get really mad about this stupid movie.

578
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,000
 And everybody loves it. And everybody remembers it fondly, and I did too, but

579
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:34,000
 What if we're going to get into our opinions of it at the end? So let's, let's get through the little bit of the plot that's left here.

580
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:42,000
 There's, there's a lot of the writing that is just creepy. Like, it makes me wonder what John Hughes

581
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,000
 Grew it like when it was like growing up in his hall. What he would have been doing if he hadn't been writing movies for Hollywood.

582
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,000
 I mean, or like what he traits his or treated his wife. I mean, it just, it raises a lot of questions.

583
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,000
 I don't want a bad mouth to go. I don't know.

584
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:01,000
 But I mean, the thing is, is that he did, he did like, you know, a bunch of movies with Molly Ringwald.

585
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,000
 And at some point, you know, she got older and didn't want to be in T movies anymore.

586
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,000
 And did he do pretty in pink as well?

587
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,000
 I think so. Yeah, I think so.

588
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:18,000
 But like they had a falling out because he wanted, like he called her his muse.

589
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:24,000
 And didn't want to do T movies anymore. I wanted to try and like flex her acting abilities.

590
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000
 He got pissed off and like never spoke to her again.

591
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,000
 Well, that's the adult way to handle it.

592
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,000
 Yeah, I mean, it kind of gives you some insight into this guy's psyche.

593
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,000
 Yeah.

594
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,000
 Yeah, but what does that say about us that we all like these movies?

595
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,000
 That we grew up in the 80s.

596
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,000
 Yeah.

597
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,000
 Well, we can talk about that at the end.

598
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,000
 Although they suspect their new relationships will end along with their detention,

599
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,000
 they believe their mutual experiences will change the way they look at their peers.

600
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,000
 And that's actually, I find that found that part to be really interesting when they're like,

601
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,000
 Yeah, we'll still be friends and Claire is like, no, we won't.

602
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000
 And she was being honest and they.

603
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,000
 Yeah, they best tell the entire movie.

604
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,000
 Yeah.

605
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,000
 And I mean, she's right.

606
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000
 And she explains how she's right.

607
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,000
 You know, you might be nice to him to his face, but then you're going to cut him up.

608
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,000
 So you look cool in front of your friends and hell, I think we've all been guilty of that.

609
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000
 At one time or another.

610
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,000
 I mean, it's right.

611
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000
 And that's the truth, but they they blast her.

612
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:31,000
 And again, Bender is all over her and this is what in movie time, 10 or 15 minutes before she goes and kisses him.

613
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,000
 Yeah.

614
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000
 And in real time, maybe a couple of hours.

615
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,000
 Yeah.

616
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000
 So again, he is just bashing the hell out of her for being truthful.

617
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000
 And she's like, I like him even more now.

618
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000
 Yeah, he's like emotionally abusive.

619
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,000
 He assaults her.

620
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,000
 It's, and then he ends up with the girl.

621
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,000
 He's a terrible character.

622
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,000
 He is.

623
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,000
 He's a fucking asshole.

624
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000
 None of them would talk to him.

625
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,000
 Well, I wouldn't say he's a terrible character.

626
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000
 I think his character, he's a terrible person.

627
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,000
 Okay.

628
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,000
 The characters.

629
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,000
 Yeah.

630
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,000
 Yeah.

631
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,000
 All right.

632
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,000
 So we're on to the last paragraph here.

633
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:08,000
 As the detention nears its end, the group requests that Brian complete the essay for everyone.

634
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:13,000
 And John returns to the storage closet to fool Vernon into thinking he never left.

635
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,000
 Brian leaves the essay in the library for Vernon to read after they leave.

636
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,000
 As the students part ways and they don't even go into the whole thing where she shows up and kisses vendor.

637
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,000
 Oh, she's no, they did already.

638
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,000
 Yeah.

639
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,000
 Real quick.

640
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,000
 I guess I am wrong because he does.

641
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,000
 He's not, they're not there, but he does go back in library because he grabs the letter.

642
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,000
 But they're gone.

643
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,000
 But they're gone.

644
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,000
 Yeah.

645
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,000
 I mean, I feel like he could.

646
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,000
 I feel like he would smell the marijuana smoke at that point.

647
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,000
 Yeah.

648
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000
 And talk to them all on Monday and say they all have detention again.

649
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,000
 Maybe that's for practice.

650
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,000
 And also the books are all on the floor, the glass is broken up top.

651
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,000
 I mean, yeah, there's a big hole in the ceiling where Bender fell through.

652
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000
 He's wanted to do a sequel.

653
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,000
 Like of them older.

654
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,000
 Oh, great.

655
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000
 I'm glad that didn't happen.

656
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,000
 Yeah.

657
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,000
 As the students part ways, Allison and Andrew kiss as do Claire and Bender.

658
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,000
 Allison rips Andrew state championship patch from his jacket to keep.

659
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,000
 Did she?

660
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,000
 Yeah.

661
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,000
 Yeah.

662
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,000
 And Claire gives John one of her diamond earrings, which he puts on.

663
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000
 Again, it's Bender, not John.

664
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,000
 Sorry.

665
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,000
 Vernon reads the essay in which Brian states that Vernon has already judged who they are using stereotypes.

666
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:24,000
 And that they think that he Vernon is crazy if he thinks they're going to tell him who they are.

667
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,000
 So Brian correspondingly states in the letter that, quote, each of us is a brain.

668
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,000
 An athlete, a basket case, a princess and a criminal.

669
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,000
 Does that answer your question?

670
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,000
 Unquote.

671
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,000
 He signs off with the letter, he signs off the letter with sincerely yours, the breakfast

672
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,000
 club.

673
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,000
 And then bender does his arm thing, his famous arm.

674
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000
 The slow, the freeze for the eight.

675
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,000
 That's so bad.

676
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000
 Now that trope is horrible.

677
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,000
 The 80 freeze, the movies that freeze at the end.

678
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,000
 And honestly, this is something I chatted about.

679
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:03,000
 I think if they remade this movie, besides having to do something different with him putting,

680
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000
 you know, his head between Claire's legs.

681
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,000
 I feel like at the end, it would have been more plausible if.

682
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,000
 Bender had like apologized to Claire for being an asshole.

683
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:18,000
 And then like, I'd like to be your friend on Monday and she had been like, okay.

684
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,000
 Instead of them hooking up, because to me, that was just, there's no, yeah.

685
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,000
 That would have been, that would have been a better for the whole thing.

686
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,000
 If they just cut to Monday and they all just acknowledged each other slightly.

687
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,000
 Yeah.

688
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:36,000
 Yeah.

689
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,000
 Yeah.

690
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
 Bender needs some, some friends.

691
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:48,000
 I mean, he's got friends, obviously, but he needs to know that these people aren't going to hate him for all the shit he has to deal with outside of school.

692
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,000
 So with Molly Ringwald's character, it was just like, yes.

693
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,000
 Yeah.

694
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,000
 I accept your apology.

695
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,000
 I would like to be your friend or try to be your friend or something.

696
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
 I feel like that would be a better ending.

697
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:04,000
 You know, the, the Emilio Estebes and Ali Sheedy hookup, that was kind of cute.

698
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,000
 Yeah.

699
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,000
 But that doesn't need to happen right now.

700
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,000
 That could have just been, hey, I'd like to see you again.

701
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,000
 Yes, I'd like that too. It said they're like, well, you, it's almost like, like, we'll go steady now.

702
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,000
 Like it's so fucking.

703
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,000
 Yeah.

704
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
 It's a bit much.

705
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,000
 Right.

706
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:30,000
 Yeah. And that's to imply also that none of them have like other girlfriend or boyfriend.

707
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:36,000
 Or any other, like, I mean, that all split all happen to be the five people all, all happen to be single.

708
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,000
 And also the vendor mentions that earlier.

709
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:51,000
 So she, again, you know, she's entering into this potential relationship where not only is he maybe just going to keep being an asshole towards her, but she's going to be one of many.

710
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,000
 I've never been part of a harem before.

711
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000
 That's the best I can do.

712
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,000
 Yeah.

713
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
 She wants to be part of a harem.

714
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,000
 She's like, I've never.

715
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,000
 Okay.

716
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
 So here's, here's a, here's a pressing question.

717
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,000
 Who's worse?

718
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,000
 Bender.

719
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
 Jake.

720
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,000
 From 16 candles.

721
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000
 Oh.

722
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,000
 Oh, Bender.

723
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000
 I think there's more potential for harm from Bender.

724
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,000
 Yeah.

725
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,000
 I think that Jake's rich.

726
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000
 So that solves it.

727
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:24,000
 Would you rather be in a relationship in a mansion or should you relationship in a single one?

728
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000
 So Jake.

729
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,000
 So all comes down to money.

730
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000
 Yeah.

731
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,000
 Money can make sure it can make shitting that's easier to live with.

732
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:39,000
 I think that, like, you know, Bender was dealt, has been, you know, a really terrible hand and he is the way he is because of his parents.

733
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000
 But I mean, he's saying the same thing about Jake.

734
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,000
 He's not way because of his parents.

735
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,000
 Vendor needs therapy.

736
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,000
 Vendor needs a lot of things.

737
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,000
 A lot of therapy.

738
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,000
 Drink that Allison has, apparently, who she likes, she jokes about sleeping with.

739
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000
 Yeah.

740
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,000
 It's not a joke.

741
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,000
 She lies.

742
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,000
 Well, I mean, she does that to, to egg Claire on again.

743
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000
 Everybody gang it up on Claire.

744
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,000
 We need to stop watching these movies.

745
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:08,000
 It truly is ruining my childhood because I, I loved this movie as a kid.

746
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,000
 And I mean, do we need to, should we go into it now?

747
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,000
 Or opinions?

748
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,000
 Wait, I do want to, like, something I was going to mention about.

749
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:23,000
 I'm confused by who knows who, like, they don't even know each other.

750
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000
 Like, some of them don't even know each other, but then they do.

751
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,000
 Like, immediately, as opposed to those who Bender is, right?

752
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000
 Well, did you know that kid in high school?

753
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000
 I knew that kid in high school.

754
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
 We knew their name, but didn't know.

755
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,000
 Okay.

756
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,000
 You seen him in the hallway and you know to avoid him, but you don't know anything about him.

757
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,000
 Right, but that's probably the time they've been in the same room together.

758
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,000
 But Molly Greenwald and Emilio, as to his characters know each other because they talk about going to the party together.

759
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,000
 Are, are not together, but are they both going to the same part?

760
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000
 So they obviously are in the same circle.

761
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,000
 I would say that they know each other and they're, they're probably acquaintances.

762
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,000
 I don't know if they're friends, but they're definitely acquaintances.

763
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,000
 Anthony Michael Hall's character doesn't know anybody because he hangs out with all the geeks and nerds.

764
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:11,000
 But doesn't, but Bender says, I thought he's, I thought he calls him Brian right in the beginning.

765
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,000
 Like, he knows him.

766
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,000
 He's like, that's Brian, sir.

767
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
 I know who he is, but they're not friends.

768
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,000
 Who?

769
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,000
 Well, no, they're not friends, but how the fuck would he know who he was?

770
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,000
 He calls him Brian right away.

771
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,000
 Bender does, doesn't he?

772
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,000
 Or no, I'm sorry.

773
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000
 No, Emilio estimates does.

774
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000
 He's got a name.

775
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,000
 What's your name?

776
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,000
 That's right.

777
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
 He does say that for a haircut.

778
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000
 And I mean, Allison at one point says she has no friends.

779
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,000
 So I think everybody knows her is that weird girl, but nobody knows her.

780
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,000
 And everybody knows Bender because of his rep, but they know to avoid him.

781
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,000
 So I feel like, yeah.

782
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:49,000
 Emilio Chavez and Molly Ringwald's characters hang out in the same social circles.

783
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000
 Maybe they're not really friends friends, but they know each other.

784
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,000
 They talk.

785
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,000
 They hang out with the same people.

786
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,000
 Yeah.

787
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,000
 They would, they would be like be in a, in a group of people together and it wouldn't be weird.

788
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000
 But he else doesn't know each other.

789
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,000
 Definitely.

790
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,000
 So here's my Brad fact before we really get into it.

791
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,000
 The actor that plays the janitor Carl.

792
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,000
 Uh huh.

793
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,000
 Capital.

794
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,000
 Uh.

795
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,000
 He says his name.

796
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,000
 All right.

797
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:21,000
 Um, was joking with the, uh, the actors and said, uh, not to overdo their intensity.

798
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,000
 Like, you know, John Nelson is a method actor and like not to overdo it.

799
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:31,000
 And he's laughing.

800
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,000
 That Martin Sheen was suffered a serious heart attack while filming apocalypse now.

801
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:41,000
 He didn't know that Emilio Estebes is Shane's son.

802
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:46,000
 So Emilio Estebes was evidently really pissed off at the remark.

803
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,000
 And then capital is felt bad because he found out that Martin Sheen was Estebes's father.

804
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000
 Why would he be pissed?

805
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
 He was just telling him something that really I don't know.

806
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000
 Okay.

807
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,000
 Um.

808
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,000
 Seems like an overreaction.

809
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,000
 I mean, but.

810
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:05,000
 Hey, did you notice in the movie, like when it starts when they're doing like the opening sequence of the different pictures of the high school and all it.

811
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,000
 And then they share the picture of the man of the year that's Carl.

812
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,000
 Yeah.

813
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,000
 Did you guys not pick up on that?

814
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,000
 No, I, I pointed that out to Brock.

815
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,000
 I'm like, that's Carl.

816
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
 I knew that.

817
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,000
 I actually knew that.

818
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,000
 I had seen that.

819
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,000
 So I was like, oh man, he was like a really good student at one point and became the quote unquote lowly janitor.

820
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,000
 Yeah.

821
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000
 I think he's happy as the janitor.

822
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,000
 I think he's maybe the best character in the movie.

823
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,000
 Or at least the best person in the movie.

824
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:37,000
 But evidently, Martin Sheen and capillos were in the West Wing together for an episode.

825
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,000
 And capillos have like actually said something to Martin Sheen, like, apologize for doing that.

826
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,000
 And then Martin Sheen thought it was funny.

827
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000
 Oh, good.

828
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000
 I'm glad somebody had a sense of humor about it.

829
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,000
 So that's my broad fact.

830
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:53,000
 What episode of the West Wing, because I'm listening to the podcast where they're going through the West Wing.

831
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,000
 I have to find it.

832
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,000
 Just started in 1999.

833
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000
 And he told Martin.

834
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
 All right, it was first season.

835
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,000
 Talk about something doesn't doesn't hold water.

836
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,000
 The West Wing's terrible.

837
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,000
 We never watched it.

838
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,000
 I loved it when it first came out, but it is not all.

839
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:19,000
 When they're talking when he's looking through the files and he, you know, he offers the bride Carl to not say anything.

840
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,000
 And he's talking to vendor about, you know, I'm not going to risk this job.

841
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,000
 His, he says he makes $31,000 a year as the principal.

842
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,000
 It's adjusted for inflation is $70,000.

843
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,000
 That's a pretty good salary for somebody working in the school system, especially if he gets summers off.

844
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:41,000
 Yeah, I could see him doing anything to avoid losing that job.

845
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,000
 Yeah, but principles don't get summers off.

846
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,000
 Do they not?

847
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,000
 What do they do?

848
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000
 They're there.

849
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,000
 They have other responsibilities.

850
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:54,000
 Yeah, since the principal, that's all like the main, it's a, it's a reduced schedule, but they're there.

851
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,000
 Okay, that's still a good salary for somebody in the school system.

852
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,000
 But of course it's, it's what?

853
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,000
 Shimmer Illinois.

854
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,000
 Yes.

855
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,000
 So, yeah, it's.

856
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,000
 Yeah.

857
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,000
 But I don't know.

858
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,000
 I think it's distant principles here at a high school make over a hundred, make six figures.

859
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,000
 Do they?

860
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,000
 Yeah, I think so.

861
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,000
 Yeah.

862
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000
 We could look it up.

863
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,000
 It's all.

864
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,000
 Yeah.

865
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,000
 I mean, it's great.

866
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:20,000
 Yeah, it's all public, but administration, I think, makes pretty good because again, it is a full year.

867
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,000
 Well, I mean, a teacher's really a fool too.

868
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,000
 They get paid.

869
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,000
 It just depends on how they.

870
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,000
 Yeah.

871
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,000
 They don't get paid shit.

872
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,000
 They don't get paid shit.

873
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,000
 Yeah.

874
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,000
 That's we're getting off the tangent.

875
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,000
 I'll go ahead and start off with my, my, my reaction.

876
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:40,000
 The movie to me has some problem points that don't hold up.

877
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:46,000
 It's got some aspects of it, which like you pointed out, Brad, are just kind of silly, but I enjoyed it.

878
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,000
 I liked it.

879
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,000
 It's not a perfect movie by any means.

880
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,000
 It's better than 16 candles, I think.

881
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,000
 Yeah.

882
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,000
 I'm really sure that I enjoyed it as kind of a character study.

883
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,000
 I thought that the characters were realistic in what they were dealing with.

884
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:15,000
 Of course, they're still stereotyped, even so, you know, not all sports dads are pushing their kids, you know, to the max, not all parents that are abusive are as abusive as vendors, not all rich parents use their kids to get back at one another.

885
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,000
 There are probably lots of rich parents that love each other and love their kids.

886
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:28,000
 And the idea that, you know, you have to hate your parents if you're a teenager, some of that's kind of goofy, but it's not action packed, but I liked it.

887
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,000
 I would say I still enjoyed it.

888
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:36,000
 And looking at it as an adult and realizing that, you know, it's a movie.

889
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,000
 It's not trying to, you know, like 16 candles.

890
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,000
 There's no way that party would have happened.

891
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,000
 There's no way they wouldn't have, you know, and then breakfast club.

892
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,000
 There's no way they would have been smoking up and wouldn't have gotten caught.

893
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,000
 I mean, there are a lot of things that are implausible, but I still enjoyed it.

894
00:47:51,000 --> 00:48:04,000
 One of the things I thought was really interesting is considering how much, like, sexual assault goes, like, you know, like the way Bender just torments, verbal assault.

895
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,000
 Yeah, I mean, it really touches her, except for, you know, putting his head between her legs.

896
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:14,000
 But the line that Allison has where they were talking about, like, they're pressuring Claire to answer if she's a virgin or not.

897
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,000
 And Allison's like, it's a trap. If you say no, you're approved.

898
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000
 If you say yes, you're a slut.

899
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,000
 That's, I mean, like, that's, that's legit. Yeah.

900
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,000
 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

901
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:35,000
 There are some definite good, like, conversations about kids and the way they all have different types of pressure and they none of them think that the other people do.

902
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,000
 Like, they all right.

903
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,000
 They think Claire has this perfect life.

904
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:46,000
 And she goes, you don't know what the pressure I have from the, she's got a peer pressure and keeping up, essentially, like, keeping up with the Jones's type thing.

905
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:54,000
 And then, you know, they all have these different, you know, Amelia Esteves has this, you know, athletic, that's this whole thing.

906
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:59,000
 So there's the pressure there to always be the best and he talks about how he would just hope he'd get injured.

907
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:04,000
 So then it would all be over, you know, and Anthony Michael Hall is the grade.

908
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,000
 So yeah, it is.

909
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,000
 They do a good, that's a good sequence where they're talking about.

910
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:14,000
 And it's a realistic one where the kid, they don't realize they think they're the ones who have kind of pressure.

911
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:20,000
 They don't realize that everyone does. It's just manifesting the way it's itself.

912
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:27,000
 So, I think it holds up with, you know, there are some serious problems, but I mean.

913
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,000
 Yeah.

914
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:38,000
 And I guess one way to look at is what I said earlier is that if you remade this movie, and maybe this is a way we can start looking at it like if this movie was remade, the scene with bender between your legs would have to be changed.

915
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:47,000
 I feel like bender couldn't, I would reduce the amount of just verbal assault that bender has against Claire, and I wouldn't have everybody wind up as a couple at the end.

916
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,000
 Yeah, I just think that's a bit much.

917
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:59,000
 The only other thing that I like I can say that I was, I was shot to watching it as an adult is like how often Vernon puts his hands on those kids.

918
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:14,000
 And he like shows immediately less of those. Yeah, he's, yeah, he's basically getting a fight with bender. Yeah, I mean, he, I think I would hope maybe that in today's society that if you laid your hands on somebody else's kid and like that.

919
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,000
 Something would happen to you.

920
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:25,000
 And that's something that I feel like has changed. I feel like if now, if a kid in high school came and said the assistant principal assaulted me, they would look into it in the 80s.

921
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,000
 They would just especially bender, a kid like bender said it, and blow it off.

922
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,000
 Depends on the kid. I think it really still depends on what you get now.

923
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,000
 Oh, come on, he's a respected guy. Yeah, he wouldn't do that.

924
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,000
 Hey, I've got another point that's bullshit about the movie that I want to bring in.

925
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:47,000
 Well, we're thinking is, okay, we've talked about how we still like the movie. You've already alluded Brad to the fact that you think it's shit.

926
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:57,000
 So here's, but I'm saying here's another here's another plot hole in it. Yeah, again, you remember the scene where he goes out and he takes like the doors propped open to begin with right in the library.

927
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,000
 And then bender goes over and he takes a screw out to.

928
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:10,000
 Unpropped the door. Yeah, if you look at the fucking door. There's one of those foot peg things on the bottom of it. That's how you prop the fucking thing up. They can't even get that thing right.

929
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:17,000
 Like Vernon's that just shows a Vernon's idiot. He doesn't know how doors work. Well, no, but like that's the door.

930
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:29,000
 It's so stupid. Then it's also that, but he obviously did it before because he kind of eludes to the Saturday before the same thing happened and he's like, you know, there was a prop on the door.

931
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,000
 Right.

932
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,000
 Or he knows it.

933
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,000
 Yeah, he could just prop the other one open. Yeah.

934
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:45,000
 But there's a kind of a funny scene where he's getting that he gets a million asked us to help him and then they put the thing in there and they're like, that's a fire has it.

935
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,000
 And then he's right. And he's like, what are you doing? Get that out of there.

936
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:56,000
 And that's another line that I quote all the time is screw's fall out of the time. The world's an imperfect place.

937
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,000
 So there's a lot of quotable lines.

938
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:06,000
 And yeah, but that's I mean, there are lots of things like that. I mean, you can watch almost every movie and be like, well, they could have done this and then but what they wound up.

939
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,000
 It wasn't funny, even if it wasn't right.

940
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:15,000
 But for a movie that I suppose it's more the movie is reliant on the whole character.

941
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:25,000
 The interaction with them, the whole teen angst the whole bit about telling like showing that everybody has pressure. Everybody is under pressure feels they're under pressure.

942
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:32,000
 It's you guys are all so all in this, you know, they're you're similar and even though you don't seem to be right.

943
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:38,000
 But the movie has all the all the extra stuff is stupid. It makes the movie stupid now.

944
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:47,000
 I just don't I can't. That's where I was like, I was like, I was up and down with it. I was like, okay, like I said, the scene where they're all talking about, you know, they're pressure.

945
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:56,000
 I was a great scene, but then they'll go and there's no way they would leave the thing and go help him get his marijuana and then smoke up because they've got too much.

946
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,000
 They just talked about how much pressure they have.

947
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:07,000
 Yeah, and how Anthony Michael Hall's characters worry about his grades and immediately invested as doesn't want to miss a meet and yeah smoking marijuana.

948
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,000
 That's a good way to miss a meet if they catch you.

949
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:16,000
 And here's the other thing. Molly Ringwald could never do that trick.

950
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:21,000
 With the boobs. That trick is that shake.

951
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:28,000
 Because because it's it's she can't there's no way I don't think anyone can do it.

952
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:38,000
 I don't think you can bend that way. I don't think I don't think no, and you have to have the right like size breast to keep the thing like it was you touch it and it would.

953
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,000
 I don't I don't breast.

954
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:50,000
 That was John Hughes that was John Hughes idea of like an awesome booby trick is if they can put lipstick on with it in their cleavage.

955
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:58,000
 So I know I did not.

956
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,000
 I don't like this movie anymore. I think it's dumb.

957
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,000
 You really are ruining your childhood.

958
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,000
 No, it's not it's fine. I mean, it.

959
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,000
 I just I really had a hard time like this. It's just so.

960
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:17,000
 The main plot devices. They're just like, I don't know. It just doesn't.

961
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:27,000
 I look like I said, I couldn't finish it. I couldn't finish the movie. It's an hour and like 30 minutes and I got to an hour 15 and I was like, I don't want to watch this anymore.

962
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,000
 I'm so I know how this reading.

963
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:38,000
 Well, I'm like, I'm so frustrated with this. And then they scoot to do a movie and walk out of your basement and do the bender arm thing.

964
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,000
 Yeah, because that would have been awesome. I played.

965
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,000
 Yeah.

966
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,000
 Don't forget it. I mean, yeah.

967
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:55,000
 So now I just, I, it could have, like, why have, why have them hooked everybody hook up? I don't understand that part at all.

968
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,000
 Because it's the 80s movie.

969
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:02,000
 Yeah, like I said, I felt that was a bit much. I felt if it was done again, you leave that part out.

970
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:12,000
 Have them be friends. Your idea was a good one. Like show Monday morning, they all kind of nod to each other and they all kind of smile and then because they set that up, they said they wouldn't. And if they did, then it would have been great.

971
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,000
 Yeah.

972
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:24,000
 Yeah, that's, that's fair. So like I said, if they redid it, they need to change some things, but they wouldn't have to change quite as much like the, like the entire last act of 16 candles would have to be changed if they redid it.

973
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,000
 Great out.

974
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,000
 And, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll do something different instead.

975
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,000
 So there wasn't any of that at least, but.

976
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:37,000
 Alright, so Amanda and I thought it held up reasonably well and Brad, you think it sucks.

977
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:42,000
 It does not, this does not.

978
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,000
 Three weeks running that the world's greatest athlete is still the best movie ever made.

979
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,000
 Right.

980
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,000
 I do have a funny story about this movie about when I thought about like kind of had the idea for this podcast.

981
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,000
 I was out one time at my way.

982
00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:00,000
 And I, it was a friend of a friend I got into a discussion. First time I ever met this woman.

983
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:12,000
 My way, I'm sorry, my way is a bar near my house that I go to a lot. And I was at, after drinking a few beers, people and then a friend came up and she had a friend with her and her and I started talking.

984
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:22,000
 And we first started talking about top gun, which I won't say where I went on that yet, but that's a to be that that's coming up.

985
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:33,000
 It's on the list. Yeah, we really wanted to do top gun around this time because the new Maverick movie is going to come out. We're going to kind of do like a double header with it, but that got pushed back to December. So probably be a while.

986
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:41,000
 But no, so I talked about, I said, well, I said, and I had just watched 16 or a breakfast club recently, and she mentioned it.

987
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,000
 I was like, that movie doesn't isn't a good anymore. She goes, what do you mean?

988
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,000
 I said, I said, there's a whole scene where Molly Ringwald gets sexually assaulted.

989
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:54,000
 How can you say that's okay. And she's like, she didn't get sexually assaulted because she liked it.

990
00:56:54,000 --> 00:57:07,000
 And I just said, yes, it was like sober woman said that. No, she had a bit still, but still. I was like, I said, what did you just, I was like, are you serious?

991
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:24,000
 And she goes, yeah, it's okay. Yeah, I don't think she liked it. Yeah, I don't think she liked it at all. I don't even think you could look at that scene and say that you think she might like it.

992
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:36,000
 But that's what I kind of realized, like, I was like, Oh, wait, this might be a good act. Like, to have this. Yeah, it was funny that my friend Jim was there and he's like, Oh, boy, here's Brad, he's going off on his rant.

993
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:42,000
 I feel like everybody listening to the podcast is the same thing when we get to the end of it. Oh, here goes Brad.

994
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:48,000
 I know, I know, like I said, I mean, I'm sure you're just harsher than us. That's fine. It's okay.

995
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:58,000
 Like I said, I got a, I got a lecture the other night from a friend about I was too hard on night court. So I'm sure. Well, I would disagree with that. Yes.

996
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:11,000
 Well, I mean, we'll have to have him on to retort it, I guess. I don't know. He wants to. He wants some airtime. He wants to give somebody to our Patreon account. I'd be happy to give him a dollar a minute.

997
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:25,000
 You're doing great. I am. I got a paper night court. Yeah. So, yeah. All right. Well, that's a good fault. That's elite. We do have a Patreon now. Everybody wants that.

998
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:33,000
 So, well, we'll quite put a little bow on this. There's the Breakfast Club. Thank you, everybody, for listening. And now for the social media stuff that I don't.

999
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:43,000
 Wait, wait, I do have one. Why do they call themselves the Breakfast Club? They don't have breakfast. They should be called the lunch club. They have lunch together.

1000
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:47,000
 Do you really want to know? Yeah, I really do.

1001
00:58:47,000 --> 00:59:04,000
 John Hughes, one of his friends, sons, evidently got detention a lot, and they called themselves the Breakfast Club because they meet in the morning. Yep, they'd end up in detention. I really summer you actually do go in at seven o'clock in the morning for detention and they would have breakfast.

1002
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,000
 And so they started calling him so like it was a breakfast club and John, he was liked it.

1003
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:15,000
 Didn't have him have fucking breakfast in the movie dumbass Christ.

1004
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:28,000
 Well, that makes some sense, but it's still kind of goopy. But anyway, they could have just been there a few hours. They could have just had to go there on Saturday breakfast Saturday morning.

1005
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,000
 It could have been Christ. I mean,

1006
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:47,000
 if that is true. And he knew that. Why the fuck did he just do it that way? Why did he make this bullshit thing of all day Saturday that nobody does?

1007
00:59:47,000 --> 01:00:02,000
 He needed enough time to have, you know, vendor fall in love with Claire and vice versa, and for him to fall through the ceiling and for them to run through the hallway. Okay, that part's funny too. Oh, it is. I like that part. Yeah, anyway, so.

1008
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:11,000
 I honestly don't know if there's I'd be curious if there has ever been a school that had a nine hour detention on the Saturday. That's insane.

1009
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:21,000
 I also want to know how big is that fucking school where they're running around like they have like four different ways to get around him as as the vice pencils walking back from.

1010
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:33,000
 Yeah, I have no idea like that was I was like, come on, like, I know that was the montage sequence of them running, but it's a clever sequence and it's fun to watch. But yeah, I mean, how many ways could they possibly go.

1011
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:44,000
 But anyway, we're getting into, okay, we're getting back into the movie. I know we're trying to end it. I just have so many things I have the problem with. I have so many things.

1012
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:49,000
 Take three social media.

1013
01:00:49,000 --> 01:01:04,000
 Somebody say some Brad's the one that runs social. No, yeah. Okay, so we have Facebook page, you can find us by googling. Does it hold up. Look for pinky pie. That's where we are. We do have a patreon. I don't know.

1014
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:09,000
 Go to patreon.com and search for does it hold up again look for pinky pie.

1015
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:23,000
 In a moment, you can give on patreon in general. Is it a dollar. We are levels. Yeah, a dollar a month. Well, yeah, just in general. Like, can you, you can't give 50 cents on patreon, Kenny. I don't like if you're, well, our lowest level is a dollar a month.

1016
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:29,000
 So you get four, you just 12 dollars. That'll pay for night court.

1017
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:43,000
 I'll say Christmas card if you pay for you obviously didn't look at the page because I did put that in there on the levels. I had a really, really long week recording this damn episode right now.

1018
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,000
 We're doing this for fun. Yeah. Yeah.

1019
01:01:47,000 --> 01:02:00,000
 Oh, no. Yeah, we have Twitter, our Twitter handle is at hold does and still not on Instagram. We're friends are our friends are grinder.

1020
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,000
 Oh, we're on grinder.

1021
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:20,000
 Yeah. Yeah, so I was on grinder. Thank you. Nice rock. Anyway, so, I didn't hear you. Would you? I said, at hold me up.

1022
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:29,000
 Anyway, on that note. Thank you for everyone who listened. Thank you all. You know, however many I'm going to stop making jokes about the number because it gets old.

1023
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:38,000
 Yeah, part two of Molly Ringwald me. There's two more coming because there's four weeks a May. And I know that because I look at calendars. So, thank you all for listening.

1024
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:47,000
 Just five weekends of this one though, but we missed one.